11 Jun 2019, 3:00 pm
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11 Jun 2019, 4:02 pm
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
According to Christian Fundies, I'm going straight to hell. Not for things like murder, starting wars, or committing genocide, but for things like reading Harry Potter, watching The Smurfs, Ninja Turtles, He-Man and Care Bears, being left-handed, having parents of two different religions, one of them being Catholic which especially makes it a cardinal sin, being a cat lover, and believing in science and evolution.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
I'm probably going to limbo simply because I was never baptized. Do Southern Protestants even believe in limbo or is that strictly a Catholic thing?
strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
11 Jun 2019, 4:14 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
According to Christian Fundies, I'm going straight to hell. Not for things like murder, starting wars, or committing genocide, but for things like reading Harry Potter, watching The Smurfs, Ninja Turtles, He-Man and Care Bears, being left-handed, having parents of two different religions, one of them being Catholic which especially makes it a cardinal sin, being a cat lover, and believing in science and evolution.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
I'm probably going to limbo simply because I was never baptized. Do Southern Protestants even believe in limbo or is that strictly a Catholic thing?
strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
I wonder why protestants do baptism ceremonies if they don't believe in limbo?
11 Jun 2019, 4:30 pm
11 Jun 2019, 7:44 pm
madbutnotmad wrote:
After going through the Jehovah Witness force conversion, and being told that Jehovah Witnesses congregations are a taste of what's to come for us if we make it to heaven on earth / heaven...
I contemplated what 1,000 years or eternity would be like living under such strict rules, around such people.
And figured that would be hell not heaven for me.
In fact, the stereotype of hell, including all the sinful things that puritanical Christians say are bad for you,
started sounding more like heaven to me. Think all the sex, drugs and rock and roll you can handle.
Plus loads of violence for entertainment, with a big slice of sadism. (personally i am not sadistic, although.. being a room full of Jehovah Witness nobs would push the limits to even the most controlled well mannered and well meaning human).
I said to the Jehovah Witnesses, "if this is a taste of what's to come, then count me out. I'd prefer to be "wiped from Gods memory" or go downstairs where all the cool hedonistic parties are going on!"
Jehovah Witness heaven would be the most boring interpretation of heaven ever!
I contemplated what 1,000 years or eternity would be like living under such strict rules, around such people.
And figured that would be hell not heaven for me.
In fact, the stereotype of hell, including all the sinful things that puritanical Christians say are bad for you,
started sounding more like heaven to me. Think all the sex, drugs and rock and roll you can handle.
Plus loads of violence for entertainment, with a big slice of sadism. (personally i am not sadistic, although.. being a room full of Jehovah Witness nobs would push the limits to even the most controlled well mannered and well meaning human).
I said to the Jehovah Witnesses, "if this is a taste of what's to come, then count me out. I'd prefer to be "wiped from Gods memory" or go downstairs where all the cool hedonistic parties are going on!"
Jehovah Witness heaven would be the most boring interpretation of heaven ever!
Same.
naturalplastic wrote:
strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
No reason to it at all.
Twilightprincess wrote:
I asked a former devout Christian if he was afraid of going to Hell as a teenager when he was doing bad stuff.
He said: “No because I figured all my friends would be there.”
He said: “No because I figured all my friends would be there.”
11 Jun 2019, 8:13 pm
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
According to Christian Fundies, I'm going straight to hell. Not for things like murder, starting wars, or committing genocide, but for things like reading Harry Potter, watching The Smurfs, Ninja Turtles, He-Man and Care Bears, being left-handed, having parents of two different religions, one of them being Catholic which especially makes it a cardinal sin, being a cat lover, and believing in science and evolution.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
I'm probably going to limbo simply because I was never baptized. Do Southern Protestants even believe in limbo or is that strictly a Catholic thing?
strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
I wonder why protestants do baptism ceremonies if they don't believe in limbo?
Some Protestant groups believe that you have to be baptized to go to heaven. If you aren’t a baptized Christian (or aren’t baptized into their sect of Christianity), you’re going to Hell or will just be in an eternal sleep.
There are lots of variations on this, though.
11 Jun 2019, 8:23 pm
Twilightprincess wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
According to Christian Fundies, I'm going straight to hell. Not for things like murder, starting wars, or committing genocide, but for things like reading Harry Potter, watching The Smurfs, Ninja Turtles, He-Man and Care Bears, being left-handed, having parents of two different religions, one of them being Catholic which especially makes it a cardinal sin, being a cat lover, and believing in science and evolution.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
I'm probably going to limbo simply because I was never baptized. Do Southern Protestants even believe in limbo or is that strictly a Catholic thing?
strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
I wonder why protestants do baptism ceremonies if they don't believe in limbo?
Some Protestant groups believe that you have to be baptized to go to heaven. If you aren’t a baptized Christian (or aren’t baptized into their sect of Christianity), you’re going to Hell or will just be in an eternal sleep.
There are lots of variations on this, though.
I think some Protestants also believe that if you are poor then your soul has already been condemned to go to hell. Because being rich somehow means that God has showed you favor.
Hence all the crazy conservative Christians who believe a racist monster like Trump is like the new Jesus or something.
11 Jun 2019, 8:37 pm
Twilightprincess wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
According to Christian Fundies, I'm going straight to hell. Not for things like murder, starting wars, or committing genocide, but for things like reading Harry Potter, watching The Smurfs, Ninja Turtles, He-Man and Care Bears, being left-handed, having parents of two different religions, one of them being Catholic which especially makes it a cardinal sin, being a cat lover, and believing in science and evolution.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
If that's what Hell is supposed to be like, then Heaven must be a very empty, lonely place. So I rather not believe in either place.
I'm probably going to limbo simply because I was never baptized. Do Southern Protestants even believe in limbo or is that strictly a Catholic thing?
strictly catholic as I understand it.
That's where the "unbaptized babies", and grown up "virtuous Pagans" go. Dont know what they do with those two groups in the other churches (Protestant and Eastern Orthodox). Seems unfair to me to burn them in H.
I wonder why protestants do baptism ceremonies if they don't believe in limbo?
Some Protestant groups believe that you have to be baptized to go to heaven. If you aren’t a baptized Christian (or aren’t baptized into their sect of Christianity), you’re going to Hell or will just be in an eternal sleep.
There are lots of variations on this, though.
The Catholics believe, or used to believe, that not being baptised meant the innocent child could not enter heaven. I don't think they went to hell though.
This is another manifestation of the intimidation and manipulation of religions, of the past at least.
Psychological abuse was the go-to for many religions.
Humanity!
11 Jun 2019, 8:37 pm
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11 Jun 2019, 9:03 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
Chaucer wrote a lot about "indulgences." He considered it one of the main evils of the medieval Church.
Religion in the past in general:
Corrupt and cynically manipulative.
Sounds about right.
It's kool.
The victims are dead now and definitely not in hell.
I thought Jesus put this sort of financial exploitation to bed when he threw over the tables of the Jewish Rabbis collecting fees for favour?
11 Jun 2019, 9:06 pm
Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Chaucer wrote a lot about "indulgences." He considered it one of the main evils of the medieval Church.
Religion in the past in general:
Corrupt and cynically manipulative.
Sounds about right.
It's kool.
The victims are dead now and definitely not in hell.
I thought Jesus put this sort of financial exploitation to bed when he threw over the tables of the Jewish Rabbis collecting fees for favour?
Jesus must just not have cared for those particular Rabbis.
11 Jun 2019, 9:09 pm
Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Chaucer wrote a lot about "indulgences." He considered it one of the main evils of the medieval Church.
Religion in the past in general:
Corrupt and cynically manipulative.
Sounds about right.
It's kool.
The victims are dead now and definitely not in hell.
I thought Jesus put this sort of financial exploitation to bed when he threw over the tables of the Jewish Rabbis collecting fees for favour?
Personally I think every religion has its goods and evils. Religion has inspired people to do terrible things like war but it has also inspired humans to do nicer things like charity.
Churches don't just collect money for greed, they give back to the needy aswell. They operate soup kitchens and shelters for the homeless and the missionaries travel to areas destroyed by war and natural disaster to aid those that were effected. Sure their help comes with strings attached, but to be frank I don't know too many athiests who operate charities on such a large scale the way Catholics do.
