In support of Israel.
Well if there is to be one state then I would much prefer it to be Israel, and I think most people would agree. Calling for Palestine to replace Israel is a folly, and frankly kicking the Israelis off their hand is impossible to justify.
The Israelis want peace, and at the last elections they elected a bunch of liberals and leftists and kicked out Netanyahu. The Palestinians obviously aren’t all war mongers, but they are led by Hamas who have shown no appetite for peace.
This cycle will not be broken by revenge. A one-state solution will only work if it is a multicultural society with Arabs and Jews living peacefully side by side. Israel is much closer to that utopian vision than Palestine is.
If you want to know something about the issue, ask questions. Don't make absurd statements like you know what you're talking about.
OK, I'll PM Kraftie if I have any questions.
Should you be reported for racism given that you're suggesting someone knows more because of their ethnic group? He doesn't know anything about the issue either.
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Well if there is to be one state then I would much prefer it to be Israel, and I think most people would agree. Calling for Palestine to replace Israel is a folly, and frankly kicking the Israelis off their hand is impossible to justify.
The Israelis want peace, and at the last elections they elected a bunch of liberals and leftists and kicked out Netanyahu. The Palestinians obviously aren’t all war mongers, but they are led by Hamas who have shown no appetite for peace.
This cycle will not be broken by revenge. A one-state solution will only work if it is a multicultural society with Arabs and Jews living peacefully side by side. Israel is much closer to that utopian vision than Palestine is.
If you want to know something about the issue, ask questions. Don't make absurd statements like you know what you're talking about.
OK, I'll PM Kraftie if I have any questions.
Should you be reported for racism given that you're suggesting someone knows more because of their ethnic group? He doesn't know anything about the issue either.
It's better than arguing with someone who has made it no secret that they hate Israel. At least Kortie appears to be pretty unbiased. I am against the Palestinians, you are for them. That makes neither one of us a very reliable source of information on the subject.
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I tried to respond to your post before you deleted it, enz. But, it was gone. Why did you delete it? It provokes good discussion.
Another point I would like to make now that I am calmer:
I have commented that I am a believer in God and science. I am very aware that the Jewish people have been very disobedient to God, throughout time. My support of Israel is not because I believe they are 'right.' Some Jewish people are very good people, some are probably not so good. My support of Israel is twofold, 1.they won and should not be denied the rights of a victor in war. 2. I have been instructed to by my faith. This instruction has nothing to do with how wonderful the Jewish people are. It's about a promise. That kept promise is how I track a prophesy through time. So, no matter what chaos happens in the world, the land of Israel stands as a beacon of God's faithfulness. It's a fact; irrefutable.
I was once asked if there was anything that could shake my faith? I said, 'if Israel fell.' So many people make the mistake of equating the fulfillment of prophesy with 'goodness.' Meaning, " Israel/Jews are good, therefore good things happen for them." Nobody is that good, we are all flawed. The Jewish people have been especially disobedient and they've paid for it. But, a few remained to live on and fulfill the prophesy. The return to Israel, Israel itself, it's prosperity is a testament to God's faithfulness, not Jewish goodness. My acceptance and support of Israel is my respect for God's promise. Because without that promise, what evidence would I have? Israel is hard proof that what was written, passed down through time is still being brought forward now.
I just wanted to say that.
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So anyone who hated apartheid South Africa can't write facts about their regime? Nelson Mandela was wrong about everything eh? ![]()
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28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.” 32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ ; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denariiand gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” 37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
(Samaritans were the mortal enemy of the Jews)
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.” 32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ ; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denariiand gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” 37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
(Samaritans were the mortal enemy of the Jews)
In the new testament, Samaritans are the enemy, yes. That doesn't mean that the Philistines (today's Palestinians) weren't the enemy of the Jews. I don't get this post. People can have two enemies...
The rest is you trying to argue right from wrong and apply it to Israel. Israel doesn't even believe in the New Testament, so any teachings applied by Jesus would not resonate with them. They do extend kindness again and again, but as soon as the Palestinians throw a rock or launch a rocket, Israel responds in kind.
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You can write facts about South Africa until you are blue in the face, John.
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John, you are immature.
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Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I hate you, it just means we disagree.
Neurocognitive exam in May 2019, diagnosed with ASD, Asperger's type in June 2019.
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.” 32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ ; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denariiand gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” 37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
(Samaritans were the mortal enemy of the Jews)
In the new testament, Samaritans are the enemy, yes. That doesn't mean that the Philistines (today's Palestinians) weren't the enemy of the Jews. I don't get this post. People can have two enemies...
The rest is you trying to argue right from wrong and apply it to Israel. Israel doesn't even believe in the New Testament, so any teachings applied by Jesus would not resonate with them. They do extend kindness again and again, but as soon as the Palestinians throw a rock or launch a rocket, Israel responds in kind.
Those bible verses were for you.
Jesus asks you to do two things, is that too much?
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.” 32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ ; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denariiand gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” 37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
(Samaritans were the mortal enemy of the Jews)
In the new testament, Samaritans are the enemy, yes. That doesn't mean that the Philistines (today's Palestinians) weren't the enemy of the Jews. I don't get this post. People can have two enemies...
The rest is you trying to argue right from wrong and apply it to Israel. Israel doesn't even believe in the New Testament, so any teachings applied by Jesus would not resonate with them. They do extend kindness again and again, but as soon as the Palestinians throw a rock or launch a rocket, Israel responds in kind.
Those bible verses were for you.
Jesus asks you to do two things, is that too much?
But this post isn't about me. This post is about Israel. To have a thread about Persephone and Jesus, you would need to make a new thread.
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Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I hate you, it just means we disagree.
Neurocognitive exam in May 2019, diagnosed with ASD, Asperger's type in June 2019.
