Democratic Nomination

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23+ trillion in debt, huge government programs like Medicare, Social Security going into the red soon.

Present, overspending is 1+ trillion dollars.

Young people (Bernie crowd) are suppose to pay this debt, not ask for even more spending.

For a government, the size of debt makes no difference. All that matters is making the interest payments.

If the size of the debt did matter - and it doesn’t- then from the public’s perspective it is better for the government to get into debt than for them to get into debt. Governments can borrow very cheaply because they are very reliable. It also means the risk is spread much more thinly.

Conventionally, governments should cover day-to-day spending through taxation, and should only borrow to invest (as the increased tax take from the investment can be used to pay down interest from borrowing). It’s a lot like how getting a loan to buy a car is usually a bad idea, but getting a loan to start a well-planned business is a good idea.

I’m not sure that holds when you’re asking the public to take on huge amounts of debt of their own instead. There’s probably an economic term for it, but I’ll have to use an analogy. Most people have to make a decision whether to buy or rent their home based on their income, the cost of mortgages, and the cost of renting. In some situations a mortgage is cheaper, even though there’s more debt.

The big issue with spending plans is that you have that stupid “debt ceiling” idea, which is ideological nonsense.

To me, it doesn’t matter who wins the nomination. The current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave is so unhinged that if he loses the election, he will destroy the government and declare himself an absolute dictator for life.

Trump is already crowing about how smart he is about being absolved from high crimes and misdemeanors, and how stupid Con(Ned)gress was for allowing the impeachment proceedings to proceed. How much lower can we, as a country sink?

If it's up to Trump, then considerably lower.

If Trump refuses to leave the White House he’ll be arrested for trespassing and thrown in jail.

Mayor Pete said that if he wins and Trump refuses to leave the White House, then Trump can do chores.

I'd be careful making statements such as this...In the fortunate\unfortunate (I'll leave this choice up to the reader) event that he does lose the next election and these predictions do not eventuate, it could cause many to question whether it was in fact his opponents who were\are the unhinged ones.

Not having seen any evidence (as opposed to opinions, suggestions, and 2nd-hand claims) that he has plans such as you suggest is not a good reference point to work from in regards to anticipating which way this will go, on your behalf.

I think the notion that Trump would refuse to leave office after his current term or a possible second term is complete is ridiculous.

It's amazing how the person making statements such as you report can affect the audience's reaction. Imagine this having been said before the last election and what the reaction would have been...

The difference is, there was zero real chance that Obama would refuse to leave the White House.

Trump leaves all the time.

Golfing, Mar-A-Lago, vacations ….

This is why I wouldn't worry too much about Trump refusing to leave the White House after he loses the election. He'll pretend to be president for a few hours and then head off to go golfing yet again. White House staff will change the locks on the door and he'll be arrested for trespassing when he returns.

I am one of those people who think he won't leave voluntarily if he loses. He will claim the result was rigged by the deep state. This would be consistent with his behavior. In 2016 he talked about them rigging election against him and refused to say if he would accept the results. He continued to claim this even after he won!! It continues right now with him talking about how the Democrats are rigging the nomination against Bernie Sanders. He is prepping his supporters for this.

I think those apparently the majority of people who think this idea is preposterous are engaging in wishful thinking due to denial. After seeing almost everyday things happen that would have been unthinkable a few years ago how could anybody dismiss out of hand any radical prediction?

I am not totally pessimistic. I do think the Secret Service will do its duty. If Trump refuses to leave, on January 20, 2021, at 12:00 PM Trump becomes a civilian intruder in the President's residence and will be treated accordingly. How people will react to this is too much for me to think about.

By the way, I don't think the Democrats will accept the results if Trump is reelected. It will be claimed Trump won due to voter suppression.

Back on topic what do you think about this scenario? Bernie wins the most delegates but not enough for nomination and Bloomberg bribes his way to the nomination.

I'll wait to form an opinion until after the debate tonight. I don't think all of Bloomberg's money can buy a personality if he doesn't have one. Not being from NYC, neither I nor the rest of the country know much about the guy. I don't watch television so I don't see political ads and when political ads come on the internet I skip them the second I'm able.

I do know that in photographs of him where he's trying to crack a smile, the guy exudes creepiness to me for whatever reason. Very elitist. He looks "dark" to me. I think Saruman from Lord of the Rings.


No thanks.

1. It doesn't seem like Sanders will get a majority of delegates.
2. Therefore, he won't win the first round of voting for the Democrat nominee.
3. Therefore, in the second round, super-delegates come into play, and establishment delegates can switch their allegiances, and the majority may pick Bloomberg.


So, it seems like Democrats will face a choice, pick the person who got the most delegates, or band together, and pick the runner-up establishment candidate.

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And that's the moment Trump secures 4 more years.