I have issues with feminism

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20 Aug 2020, 1:50 am

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Misandry is what has corrupted feminism and given it a bad name, at least in my opinion.

That and Intersectionality...

What is wrong with intersectionality? That was used to help feminism be able to take into account things like different experiences in regards to things like class, race and culture.

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20 Aug 2020, 5:19 am

Bradleigh wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

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Misandry is what has corrupted feminism and given it a bad name, at least in my opinion.

That and Intersectionality...

What is wrong with intersectionality? That was used to help feminism be able to take into account things like different experiences in regards to things like class, race and culture.

Some say that intersectional feminism focuses too often in meaningless details and that it takes too much attention away from the main issues. Of course, what's considered meaningless depends on the person, too.

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20 Aug 2020, 5:53 am

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No, I assure you that I seperate those two things with a wrought-iron fence made of tigers. Also, feminism predates the vote by almost 90 years.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is precisely what I am talking about when I mentioned "women's rights" as it pertains to the developing world. For women in Somalia its the right to not have your genitals mutilated against your will and be married off to a 70yr old man when you are still in school and being allowed the freedom to choose a career.

The other woman seems like she is on some type of witch hunt? feminism in the western context is supposed to be about levelling the playing field.

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20 Aug 2020, 6:16 am

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What is wrong with intersectionality? That was used to help feminism be able to take into account things like different experiences in regards to things like class, race and culture.

But intersectional feminism directly addresses complaints that second wave feminism was too centered on the needs of middle class white women. Kind of seems like those who call a lot of intersectional issues as meaningless are at risk of not recognising their privilege. Not to mention that intersectionality is also a path of recognising other gendered experiences, transgender and male.

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20 Aug 2020, 9:33 am

Bradleigh wrote:

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What is wrong with intersectionality? That was used to help feminism be able to take into account things like different experiences in regards to things like class, race and culture.

I was talking about things like trying to get tampons and such to be taxed in the same way as other sanitary products instead of higher like it is now (here at least.) We had a female politican point this out as a problem recently, and she was called out on intersectional feminism and laughed at for focusing on such a small matter when women in certain countries are practically enslaved etc etc. Yes, the high taxes on female sanitary products is a small problem in comparison, but still a problem. The fact that bigger problems exist is no reason to not try solving smaller problems.

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20 Aug 2020, 9:36 am

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Yes, the high taxes on female sanitary products is a small problem in comparison, but still a problem.

And such an easy problem to fix

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20 Aug 2020, 10:30 am

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Tampons and the like should be considered a necessity human comfort (and of course the social aspects), they probably should not be taxed at all. Just like here in Australia certain staple foods are GST (Goods and Services Tax) Free, such as bread and milk.
GST And Food, When Is It Taxable?

It is a BS element of the patriarchy that people who menstruate can't buy their necessary sanitary products without being taxed. Doesn't matter if it seems like a small problem compared to other cultures where women are practically enslaved, the argument against is just a distraction to say that things are shittier elsewhere, so why make things better here.

Certain things should be considered a right, not a privileges, and that includes people who menstruate not having to be punished, by the state at least, to not have to risk bleeding all over the place. If those are the things that intersectional feminists are concerned with, then that should be great.

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20 Aug 2020, 10:40 am

cyberdad wrote:

... Feminism in the western context is supposed to be about leveling the playing field.

Ahh ... but "you cannot have a level playing field if your opponents are still on it", as one ultra-feminist once told me.

True feminism is subsumed in egalitarianism -- the concept of social equality, prioritizing it for ALL people, and not just for one exclusive group ("... more equal than others").

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20 Aug 2020, 10:58 am

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True feminism is subsumed in egalitarianism -- the concept of social equality, prioritizing it for ALL people, and not just for one exclusive group ("... more equal than others").[/color]

Sure, feminism is greatly informed by egalitarian philosophy, but it is also true that a lot of self described egalitarianists do so to pull attention away from feminist causes. In a society where masculine is considered strong and feminine is considered weak, the imbalance is still against femininity. I think that the major goal of feminism is to fight for femininity to be seen as strong as masculinity, at which point true egalitarianism can take over.

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20 Aug 2020, 11:04 am

In Short Or Tall "Women Don't Scare me";
Nor Do Women's Rights; in FAct,
Women's Powers, Rather Move me
in a Great way only; Matter of Feeling, i Refer
to Real Feminism as Divine Feminine; Yes,
Rather Sacred
And Holy
Indeed; Yes,
There are Men
Who Get along
With Women and
Are not afraid of their Power;
And HiSToRY other wise is full
of many Failed Males in Life Who Do Not.

Once You understand
'HerStory' More Fully,
One becomes More
Whole and of Course
Divine And Sacred too;
And don't even try to attack
my Masculinity as that is Measured
by How Much 'Honey' it Draws in a Year....

Of Course, Empirically Measurable too;
but don't let me bore you that way; HAha..

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20 Aug 2020, 11:06 am

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Feminism has come a long way...
1918 - Female suffrage
1967 - Foundation of Women’s Liberation Movement
1975 - Equal Pay Act
2020 - 11-year-old girls *finally* allowed to twerk on mainstream TV

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1296450238266384385

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20 Aug 2020, 11:15 am

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Feminism has come a long way...
1918 - Female suffrage
1967 - Foundation of Women’s Liberation Movement
1975 - Equal Pay Act
2020 - 11-year-old girls *finally* allowed to twerk on mainstream TV

Yes ... sexualization of girls seems to be occurring at progressively younger ages.

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20 Aug 2020, 11:19 am

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Here you go buddy

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20 Aug 2020, 11:20 am

Thanks man, I dont twitter good.

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20 Aug 2020, 11:28 am

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

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[img]images.app.goo.gl/VihSdt3YSMn7QRaS6[/img]

Here you go buddy

I've heard quite a few people mention that the book in the lower right of the picture with a yellow cover is supposed to be one of the best ways to get an in-depth understanding of the woke movement... I may have to track down a copy to help me understand their aims\goals better.

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