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24 Sep 2020, 10:56 am

funeralxempire wrote:

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Throwing bottles, firing guns, pushing burning dumpsters towards gas stations...where's the line for a riot?

Do you have evidence that the individual victims were directly involved in such activity?

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Throwing bottles, firing guns, pushing burning dumpsters towards gas stations...where's the line for a riot?

Do you have evidence that the individual victims were directly involved in such activity?

I would like to see it...

Bald guy with red shirt pushing the dumpster is Rosenbaum.

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24 Sep 2020, 11:23 am

Wolfram87 wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Wolfram87 wrote:

Throwing bottles, firing guns, pushing burning dumpsters towards gas stations...where's the line for a riot?

Do you have evidence that the individual victims were directly involved in such activity?

Sweetleaf wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Wolfram87 wrote:

Throwing bottles, firing guns, pushing burning dumpsters towards gas stations...where's the line for a riot?

Do you have evidence that the individual victims were directly involved in such activity?

I would like to see it...

Bald guy with red shirt pushing the dumpster is Rosenbaum.

So one victim was involved in some riotous activity, still don't think that means they should have been shot dead and...what of the other two? Also, this isn't about if the people killed were saints or not, it's more you shouldn't be able to shoot three people, just walk past the oncoming police and drive home. At least to me that is the big issue here, he was still an active shooter and should have been arrested on the spot.

Say the court do rule it was self defense, at the time there was no telling if that was the case or not...so by the police just letting him walk by, they very well could have put more people in danger it was extremely reckless. If he had shot more people it would have been on them.

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24 Sep 2020, 2:51 pm

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Kyle did not shoot first.

Is this proven beyond a shadow of doubt?

Yes. There is video showing the entire incident of Kyle Rittenhouse running away from a mob of people who knocked him over and attacked him before he used his gun in self-defense.

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Again refer to the witness statement I last posted that claimed Rittenhouse was in a sniper position aiming his gun at random people trying to leave the scene and one witness also claimed he asked a people leaving to get out of their vehicle using his gun.

The witness much be lying because it directly contradicts videos that covered the entire incident before and after the shooting. The terrorists were trying to film themselves beating him up but ended up proving he acted in self-defense.

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24 Sep 2020, 2:56 pm

Fnord wrote:

Some people believe that the only way they can retain any "control" over others is through lies, intimidation, and violence. This is while the rest of us try to influence others through facts, reason, and diplomatic discourse.[/color]

I agree 100%. That's why I love Trump and can't stand Democrats.

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24 Sep 2020, 2:56 pm

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I agree 100%. That's why I love Trump and can't stand Democrats.

Where is Trumps diplomatic discourse?

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24 Sep 2020, 3:11 pm

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"Kyle Rittenhouse is not a hero.

Granted, many on the right are working overtime to paint him as such. “He’s a good kid,” his attorney, John Pierce, told Fox “News” last week. “He’s a patriot,” a man who declined to give his name told Politico. “He’s a hero,” a man named Alan Endries said. But he’s not.

And the concocted tale of how the 17-year-old boy came to be on the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin, during a civil disturbance, how he shot three people, killing two, simply doesn’t pass the smell test.

It does if you look at the facts instead of relying on propaganda.

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Who arms themselves with an AR-15-style rifle, leaves home and drives to another state to defend a business belonging to somebody else, a stranger to whom he has no connection?

People with morals who love their neighbors. Heroes. The driving to another state is bogus. He lives just over the border and worked in Kenosha. There's a good chance he knew or worked for the business owner. He needed a rifle because there were terrorists in the streets terrorizing innocent people and the Democrat mayor refused to protect them. If Democrats didn't order police to stand down, good citizens wouldn't have had to do their job.

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We’re asked to believe that Mr. Rittenhouse and other members of a right-wing street gang styling itself a “militia” gathered in Kenosha from a sense of public spiritedness? Please. For a bigger load of equine ordure, you’d have to visit a stable. No, their purpose was clear as an angel’s conscience. They took to the streets looking for trouble. And Mr. Rittenhouse found it."

-- The Baltimore Sun, September 8th, 2020

The rioters took to the streets looking for trouble and found it. They had no right terrorizing the good citizens of Kenosha. Kyle Rittenhouse and others with morals had every right to oppose terrorism and defend freedom and innocent lives by helping bring law and order to the city after Democrats sided with the terrorists and refused to protect their citizens.

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24 Sep 2020, 4:36 pm

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It does if you look at the facts instead of relying on propaganda.

Oh how ironic that you're claiming to rely on facts. :lol:

Alt-right propaganda isn't known for being based on facts and so far you've just been regurgitating propaganda talking points.

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24 Sep 2020, 5:31 pm

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It does if you look at the facts instead of relying on propaganda.

Oh how ironic that you're claiming to rely on facts. :lol:

Alt-right propaganda isn't known for being based on facts and so far you've just been regurgitating propaganda talking points.

I watched the full video showing what happened before and after the shooting. That's facts. I'm guessing you just watched media spin and propaganda, right?

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24 Sep 2020, 8:33 pm

emotrtkey wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

emotrtkey wrote:

It does if you look at the facts instead of relying on propaganda.

Oh how ironic that you're claiming to rely on facts. :lol:

Alt-right propaganda isn't known for being based on facts and so far you've just been regurgitating propaganda talking points.

I watched the full video showing what happened before and after the shooting. That's facts. I'm guessing you just watched media spin and propaganda, right?

You know what they say about when you (ignorantly and incorrectly) assume. :wink:

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24 Sep 2020, 10:41 pm

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I have seen the "claim" (not a statement) which you linked to...I also haven't seen any indication that the police believe it (otherwise no doubt there would be additional charges - brandishing, for example), nor anything which would coroborate it. Being that there were many people there, including some in similar attire, it is entirely possible the person in a "sniper position" was a different person.

The witness is fairly reliable in making two observations that i) the sniper was young (teen) and ii) had his cap backwards.

It will be interesting to see if this will sway the court proceedings in any way?

The thing is, it takes more than a young person and cap backwards to prove it was the same person...There is no mention of where and when with any degree of specificity to allow confirmation of it being Kyle, or to refute the possibility so it is highly disingenious to claim it was him as though it has been proven...

Without something specific (location and time, for example), there is no way to prove it was him, nor disprove it being him, and so the claims made have little weight. Had they, for instance, said they were at a specific point and give a time (with perhaps a 5 minute margin of error), THEN it may be of evidentiary value.

It does appear the journalist named McGinnis was closest to the action but his cellphone video hasn't been published. I assume his video footage will be subpoenaed by either the defence team or the prosecution.

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24 Sep 2020, 10:47 pm

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Yes. There is video showing the entire incident of Kyle Rittenhouse running away from a mob of people who knocked him over and attacked him before he used his gun in self-defense.

What seems to be missing is the precipitating event that led to Rittenhouse scurrying away from the mob.

This was not captured on film. Neither was evidence from the Rittenhouse camp that he ran to put out a fire which led to his altercation with Rosenbaum.

However I can start to see now that the stars seem to be aligning for Rittenhouse to get off on his self-defense plea if no further footage is available or if the witness statements don't hold any water.

I do suspect there will be another round of riots if Rittenhouse gets off so brace for that.

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25 Sep 2020, 12:06 am

cyberdad wrote:

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Yes. There is video showing the entire incident of Kyle Rittenhouse running away from a mob of people who knocked him over and attacked him before he used his gun in self-defense.

Well, what we do have is the "probable cause" section of the charges where the witness specifcally stated Kyle was walking, Mr Rosenbaum tried to approach him, and Kyle started running.

Considering the distance between them on footage and the fact the Mr Rosenbaum was catching up to Kyle, it is highly unlikely they were in close proximity when the pursuit started, and the witness did not indicate any exchange of words\interaction occurring betweeen them, so it is hard to imagine a way in which Kyle could be seeen as an aggressor in the situation.

As to the potential future riots: That is down to whether the media have been presenting all the facts, or only those which create a good "story" for them to sell...Full facts supplied = no "surprise" outcome, "Selected" facts supplied and "inconvenient" ones ignored = "surprise" outcome, much like with Breonna Taylor's case.

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25 Sep 2020, 1:50 am

I imagine now Kyle Rittenhouse will be looking forward to swapping stories with Nick Sandmann in a Washington bar (drinking Kool-Aid off course) when the pair of them are invited by incoming POTUS Donald Trump to join his staff in 2021

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25 Sep 2020, 9:21 am

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Yes. There is video showing the entire incident of Kyle Rittenhouse running away from a mob of people who knocked him over and attacked him before he used his gun in self-defense.

What seems to be missing is the precipitating event that led to Rittenhouse scurrying away from the mob.

There's a video showing someone yelling he shot someone while people were chasing him and threatening to physically harm him to teach him a lesson. Based on the video, it was very clearly self-defense. If he didn't have a gun, there's a good chance they would have killed him.

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This was not captured on film. Neither was evidence from the Rittenhouse camp that he ran to put out a fire which led to his altercation with Rosenbaum.

There's a video of him putting out a dumpster fire that was being pushed toward gas pumps. If Rittenhouse didn't put out that fire, many people likely would have died when the gas station exploded.

There's a video of the first shooting showing that Rittenhouse was provoked. The video I watched was further away and obstructed by a dumpster and several cars so I couldn't tell whether it was necessary but it's clear he exercised restraint and wasn't there to kill peaceful protesters or innocent people.

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I do suspect there will be another round of riots if Rittenhouse gets off so brace for that.

If violent criminals want to riot, the good citizens of America will rise up and put an end to it.

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25 Sep 2020, 9:27 am

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If violent criminals want to riot, the good citizens of America will rise up and put an end to it.

Isn't that what the police are for? I'm against rioters as much as the next man, but I don't think it's the responsibility of US citizens to stop them.

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25 Sep 2020, 9:29 am

Minor correction. Rittenhouse did not himself put out the dumpster, but he did run and hand the extinguisher to the person who did.

And if the mayor tells the police to stand down, are people just supposed to do nothing?

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