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09 Jan 2021, 3:28 am

A lot of diversion tactics going on in this thread

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09 Jan 2021, 4:56 am

Biscuitman wrote:

A lot of diversion tactics going on in this thread

Diversion from what exactly? the MAGAs are behaving as we would expect them to,

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09 Jan 2021, 5:15 am

Protests against police brutality are morally equivalent to plotting a coup, in the OP's book. Interesting worldview. You can save a lot of time reading this thread if you google "False Equivalence".

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09 Jan 2021, 7:35 am

I believe in peaceful protests. I don’t believe in rioting and looting. Rioting and looting is criminal and mostly felonious.

Most people of the BLM persuasion were peaceful—but some looted and rioted. The Oregon Capitol building was stormed at least once.

What the Trump Supporters did was considerably worse. It’s exactly equivalent to the British Halls of Parliament being stormed while the Queen was officially appointing the Prime Minister, with the “stormers” wanting to prevent her choice for Prime Minister from taking office (yes, the Queen’s powers are mostly ceremonial, and the Prime Minister is always the leader of the majority party in Parliament).

They wanted to install their person in office, even though he did not win the election. He lost by 7 million votes and 72 Electoral votes. There was no evidence of widespread voter fraud. They acted out of the delusions of the man who lost.

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09 Jan 2021, 7:51 am

PhosphorusDecree wrote:

Protests against police brutality are morally equivalent to plotting a coup, in the OP's book. Interesting worldview. You can save a lot of time reading this thread if you google "False Equivalence".

Very much ^this^

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09 Jan 2021, 7:59 am

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What the Trump Supporters did was considerably worse. It’s exactly equivalent to the British Halls of Parliament being stormed while the Queen was officially appointing the Prime Minister, with the “stormers” wanting to prevent her choice for Prime Minister from taking office (yes, the Queen’s powers are mostly ceremonial, and the Prime Minister is always the leader of the majority party in Parliament)

Something for another thread really but have you ever watched the State Opening Of Parliament? I love the mechanics and processes of politics and I find it fascinating. Proper British pomp and ceremony kind of stuff.

Due to the shenanigans of Charles 1st in 1642 (our very own historical Trump) the queen is not allowed into the House of Commons.

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09 Jan 2021, 8:23 am

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Were the bombs that were planted in other places, detonated? I couldn't find much on that so far.

No, they were diffused.

There was one bomb found in the capital building.

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09 Jan 2021, 8:29 am

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I hope Capital Hill wins. The way they brand Trump supporters as Nazis makes me sick.

Is it unfair to call a spade a spade? :scratch:

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09 Jan 2021, 8:39 am

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The Oregon State Capital was stormed by “anti lockdown” protesters as was the Michigan capital by heavily armed “anti lockdown” “protesters”. Antifa tried to torch some Federal buildings in Portland.

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09 Jan 2021, 8:55 am

I stand corrected.

Still, even though rioting has inspired social change in the past, I still deplore rioting in general.

The Insurrection is considerably worse. We cannot “just let it slide.”

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09 Jan 2021, 9:31 am

Biscuitman: sounds cool.

You would be Cookieman in the US

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09 Jan 2021, 11:24 am

PhosphorusDecree wrote:

Protests against police brutality are morally equivalent to plotting a coup, in the OP's book. Interesting worldview. You can save a lot of time reading this thread if you google "False Equivalence".

You are focusing on *what* they were protesting against. I am focusing on *ultimate damage* of that protest. The antifa protests resulted in a lot more burned stores and smashed windows than capitol Hill ones

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09 Jan 2021, 11:40 am

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Didn't you read? I said in my other post that things were peaceful until the police started to attack them when they were just standing there not even doing anything. So they fought back. They were made out to be in the media that they were just violent and the police were just being violent back. No, the police started it and it was the protesters fighting back because they were being attacked.

I am not sure about the incident you are describing but by using logic it seems like we are probably talking about two different things. You are talking about people fighting with cops directly and I am talking about them smashing windows and burning/looting grocery stores. I still don't see how you can say that attacking businesses is "fighting back" if the business owners aren't the ones putting tear gas on them.

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09 Jan 2021, 1:12 pm

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PhosphorusDecree wrote:

Protests against police brutality are morally equivalent to plotting a coup, in the OP's book. Interesting worldview. You can save a lot of time reading this thread if you google "False Equivalence".

Proof? There were around 9,000 protests this year. Only one insurrection. What is the ratio of damage to protests? Also, during those 9,000 protests, 11 people died. In the one insurrection, 5 died. During one of those protests, Kyle Rittenhouse killed two people and injured one in the name to defend property. How do you balance the loss of life and injury to a human being with property damge--you can repair a window. Source: Americans killed during protests

I am not sure your point here. What exactly are you trying to prove? Are you trying to justify the attack on our nation's Capital with the intent of overturning an election?

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09 Jan 2021, 1:45 pm

Currenly, there have been about 19,000 recorded protests in 2020: https://acleddata.com/special-projects/us-crisis-monitor/

Out of those 19,000, 17.000 were peaceful, 742 were classified as violent, 102 had excessive force against protestors, 34 as mob violence, and 13 reported property damage/looting.

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09 Jan 2021, 2:07 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

CockneyRebel wrote:

I hope Capital Hill wins. The way they brand Trump supporters as Nazis makes me sick.

Is it unfair to call a spade a spade? :scratch:

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Using racist termonology on WP. TskTsk

This isn't the first time I've used that phrase when calling out white supremacists. I use it because of it's origins. Wasn't that obvious? :scratch:

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