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14 Jan 2021, 9:58 am

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I'd be more impressed if anyone here still supports Trump.


There's no point in supporting a former president. The trump train doesn't have much track left to carry either set of passengers.


You know if he's not impeached he will run again in 2024 and there's 74 million who are gullible enough to believe him


We're probably going to front Don Jr. for 2024.



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14 Jan 2021, 10:08 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
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I have read the speech and listened to the audio. Maybe I'm the only one who didn't hear the "Dog Whistle" to go and sack the Capital. In reality its just wishful thinking by the Left. He could have recited a recipe for chocolate chip cookies and the Democrats would have made it out to be a nefarious incitement to insurrection.
I agree with you in that I don't hear it either. But it still sparked the incident nonetheless. That's just a simple fact. All his tweets and speeches about the election have to be taken into consideration as to how revved up they were beforehand.
By focusing solely on one speech, you avoid having to examine all of the other evidence.
What evidence? Specifically.
See what I mean?  You do not even know!

:lol: Or maybe you just will not admit it.



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14 Jan 2021, 10:28 am

Fnord wrote:
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I have read the speech and listened to the audio. Maybe I'm the only one who didn't hear the "Dog Whistle" to go and sack the Capital. In reality its just wishful thinking by the Left. He could have recited a recipe for chocolate chip cookies and the Democrats would have made it out to be a nefarious incitement to insurrection.
I agree with you in that I don't hear it either. But it still sparked the incident nonetheless. That's just a simple fact. All his tweets and speeches about the election have to be taken into consideration as to how revved up they were beforehand.
By focusing solely on one speech, you avoid having to examine all of the other evidence.
What evidence? Specifically.
See what I mean?  You do not even know!

:lol: Or maybe you just will not admit it.

So you have NO answer.
"Orange Man BAD!" might just work for you.



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14 Jan 2021, 10:30 am

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No, "unsolicited ballots" were not sent out en masse, just applications for absentee ballots.

Pure horseshít (or just ignorance)!

It varied state-to-state. Here in Jersey, ALL registered voters were sent ballots in the mail, whether requested or not. Whether they would have physically gone to the polls or not. Whether they checked their mailbox or not. That's never been done, sending out millions of unrequested absentee ballots, but that's what was done here in 2020. And they sent them out in September.

My sister, who's lived at her place for 10 years, received an additional ballot for some former resident she'd never heard of. She did the right thing and turned it in, but I wonder...was that lady issued 2 ballots (one for the old address, one for wherever she is now?) Did she request a second ballot, not knowing the first went to her old address from over 10 years ago? Is she still alive??

Just think how many others, less honest then my sister, could have used an extra ballot to their advantage (and not just with the presidential vote.)


That is not what the State of New Jersey says. From their website:

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A voter may vote by mail by completing the Application for Vote by Mail Ballot (listed below) and returning the application to their County Clerk.

To receive your ballot by mail, the application must be received by the County Clerk 7 days prior to the election.

A voter may also apply in person to the County Clerk until 3:00 p.m., the day before the election.

The County Clerk cannot accept faxed or emailed copies of a Application for Vote by Mail Ballot, unless you are a Military or Overseas Voter, since an original signature is required.


Source: State of New Jersey Vote by Mail


I think you missed a minor detail...From your link:
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How do I receive my vote by mail ballot?
Every Active registered voter will receive a ballot at the address the voter is registered.

You can check your registration status here. If you are not registered to vote, the registration deadline for this general election is October 13th, 2020. New Jersey now offers online voter registration here.


Followed by:
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Deadline to apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail?
All active registered voters will automatically receive a vote by mail ballot.

If you haven’t received your ballot in a timely matter, you can check the status online here or contact your county clerk here. If you haven’t received your ballot, you may apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail by Friday, October 23rd, 2020. Information on how to apply can be found here. Thereafter, you must get your vote by mail ballot in-person from your county clerk. If you pick up a vote by mail ballot on Election Day, you have until 8 pm to return it to the county Board of Elections or your polling place, or deposit it in one of your county’s secure ballot drop boxes.


It appears that the portion you selectively quoted was not updated following:
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New Jersey will send mail-in ballots to all registered voters for the 2020 presidential election while still offering the option for voters to cast their ballots in person, Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday.

"As it relates to mail-in ballots, the good news is in a general election, it doesn't matter what party you're in, everybody gets a ballot," Murphy announced in a CNN interview. "So we're going to have a hybrid model in November."

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/14/nj-sending-mail-in-ballots-statewide-in-2020-election-despite-trumps-attacks.htm

The requirement to apply was for those who did not receive a ballot, which would be those who recently changed address\moved there\reached voting age.


Right, people who have registered to vote by mail and their registration is still active will receive a mail-in ballot. If you have not registered to vote by mail will not get a ballot. Nothing strange about that. The mail-in ballots seem similar to other States I have lived in. Sorry, but no conspiracy here.

As far as your link to the other article, well it is broken. I cannot comment on a piece I cannot read.

No, it was everybody who was registered to vote, not just those registered to "vote by mail".

Not sure why the link suddenly broke, but these explain the same details:
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New Jersey Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday that the state will use a hybrid voting model for November's election where all New Jersey residents will be mailed a ballot, and it will be up to them to decide if they would like to vote by mail or in person.

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/new-jersey-vote-by-mail-presidential-election/index.html
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The New Jersey Legislature on Thursday voted to make the state’s November election primarily vote-by-mail — a repeat of what Gov. Phil Murphy already mandated and a move meant to head off a challenge by President Donald Trump’s campaign.
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Context: Murphy’s executive order requires that all active registered voters in the state be sent mail-in ballots, similar to what was done for the July 7 primary.

Source: https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/08/27/new-jersey-legislature-passes-vote-by-mail-bill-to-undermine-trump-lawsuit-1313141

These were simply a sample of the results for searching (DDG or google) for "new jersey vote by mail" so I'm not sure why you weren't able to find this out before posting claims which were so easily disproven?


Thanks for the clarification.



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14 Jan 2021, 10:36 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
I have read the speech and listened to the audio. Maybe I'm the only one who didn't hear the "Dog Whistle" to go and sack the Capital. In reality its just wishful thinking by the Left. He could have recited a recipe for chocolate chip cookies and the Democrats would have made it out to be a nefarious incitement to insurrection.


Really? If I say, "you have a beautiful family, it would be a shame if something happens to them," you would think I am wishing you good health? I noticed you completed ignored my response to your claim. BTW, I am not a Democrat.



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14 Jan 2021, 10:40 am

It is sad how a certain type of person can be blind to Mr. Trump's inciteful speeches, and yet somehow perceive hostile intent behind an innocent reply to one of their posts.

:( Sad.



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14 Jan 2021, 11:36 am

Trumpsters sure do have a love-hate relationship with evidence. Show them evidence of Trump's misdeeds and they move the goalposts. "That's not *really* evidence of X". Ask for evidence to back up his claims of conspiracy though, and they either give bs that has been debunked a dozen times over, or you get awkward radio silence.
Where's all that evidence of voter fraud when Trump's judges asked him for it? They sure do back down fast when they're threatened with a defamation suit. Because proving it isn't baseless defamation would require them providing evidence that they don't have.
Not that his supporters care. They implicitly trust him because they're in too deep. After all, in this speech Trump dismissed his own judges as "puppets" (of...some nebulous anti-Trump hivemind I guess?) for taking issue with his lack of any real evidence.


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14 Jan 2021, 11:53 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
I have read the speech and listened to the audio. Maybe I'm the only one who didn't hear the "Dog Whistle" to go and sack the Capital. In reality its just wishful thinking by the Left. He could have recited a recipe for chocolate chip cookies and the Democrats would have made it out to be a nefarious incitement to insurrection.


They were dumb enough to post about it online before the attack even happened. I find this amusing too because of the way they went about it and they think they are patriots and think they had done an accomplishment because they put it on social media with their selfies and bragging about it to photo journalists which got used to help identify them. Over 70 arrests have been made so far as far as I know. one man was so proud to be carrying a podium and waved to the camera like he had won a trophy. He was a 36 year old man and a father of four. He got arrested. Even one here in Portland was arrested outside a hotel here in downtown for being at the riot and he claimed he was never part of the riot and he didn't know it would happen and he left the building when he got told to leave by security and he did so he was shocked he was arrested. He was let out on bail. $25 dollars.

https://www.kptv.com/news/oregon-man-wh ... 9fc35.html


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14 Jan 2021, 12:55 pm

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Its a completely false narrative. Nowhere in his speech or at any other time did Trump incite a riot or call for violence. Show the video if it exists not some newsman's opinion piece.


Apparently you didn’t watch the same speech as the Attorney General of Washington DC who has gone on record to say that he is charging trump with inciting violence.


You can't answer Mr Reynholm's challenge, and I doubt anyone else can either.
He asked people to "show the video if it exists not some newsman's opinion piece" and your response is "but this other guy said he did". LOL.


I was searching for the full speech but this was one of the first results titled “How trump’s Capitol Speech Incited an Insurrection”

The actions of the mob he spoke to seem to be awfully well aligned with the words he spoke. Complete coincidence? :roll: :lol:



Here’s a link to video of the full speech in this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 6-capitol/

No, I have not watched the entire speech - I did hear most of it on a live stream, but I have not listened to 100% of it. The live streamed version I listened to had interruptions from the commentator, David Pakman. Apparently most of it was whining a bunch of fabrications about election fraud that never happened.

As for “this other guy,” umm, he’s not a “newsman,” presenting an opinion piece. He’s the Attorney General of Washington DC and stated that he intends to file criminal charges of inciting violence against trump for what he said & did just prior to the coup attempt at the Capitol. Big difference.. and even you should realize that.


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14 Jan 2021, 1:08 pm

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Everyone who stormed the capitol building is a criminal. (That’s what you are when you commit crimes.) Just ask the FBI - who said so - and is laying criminal charges one by one as these criminals are identified.

When did I ever disagree with that? I even said (as you re-quoted) "I think what Steve D'antuono [of the FBI] is saying is perfectly reasonable, those folks were criminals."

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This entire post is insane.

Your TD bank robber analogy is difficult to follow and thus doesn’t make sense.

You used the bank robbing analogy first. Bank robbers, like the people who broke into the US Capitol, are criminals. Absolutely. But to say bank robbers at ONE bank are going to take over the entire TD Bank institution is absurd. To say the criminals who broke into the Capitol could take over the entire US government is equally absurd.

Some guy in furs and a viking helmet is stealing a podium at the US Capitol...okay, the Supreme Court, the IRS, all branches of the military and every federal agency across the country will now automatically take directives from him? They're criminals, yes, but people pretending the whole government was actually under threat of being usurped by some hooligans are being dramatic.

Calling it a "coup" is extreme. Your buddy Colbert is saying anyone, anywhere who ever supported Trump in any way at any time is equally culpable of this "coup." That's like saying anyone who criticizes TD Bank's overdraft policy is sympathetic toward and equally complicit with bank robbers.

Now, as far as DC itself goes, not everyone who was there that day in support of Trump stormed the Capitol. Many didn't even go to the Capitol. I respect their right to peacefully assemble without breaking the law (same with BLM or Stonewall, or what have you). It seems like people are saying, "Since I don't like their politics, then EVERYONE who assembled is guilty of breaking into the Capitol!" Extreme.


Ok, if you want to compare it to robbing banks.. this wasn’t someone committing fraud at an ATM in a 7-11 or even stealing the ATM. This would be more like a Tom Cruise Mission Impossible style team of highly trained operatives attempting a raid on TD’s headquarters during the official recognition ceremony of a new bank president in order to keep their chosen bank president in place who was just voted out for doing business with cartels. Of course they wouldn’t ALL be highly skilled and trained, there would be a bunch of bumbling idiots who’re more of a distraction than anything. But it would still be an attempt at taking over the entire banking organization with the intent of controlling it and having it do as you wanted despite the votes of shareholders & the board of directors. Since you like bank analogies and can’t figure out that the US Capitol Building is not the equivalent of an ATM inside a 7-11.

It’s not just a late night comedian’s take that it was an attempted coup. :roll: :roll: :roll: It’s the opinion of international security experts that are deeply concerned for the well being & stability of America’s democracy. This plan had the assistance of republican lawmakers who work inside the Capitol building, former And active military personnel, ditto for police. It was planned and executed by highly skilled & trained individuals, utilizing police & military tactics, training, communication methods, weapons & defences, planning, surveillance, reconnaissance and so on. This cannot be called anything other than an attempted coup, because that’s what it was.


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14 Jan 2021, 1:57 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
slam_thunderhide wrote:
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Its a completely false narrative. Nowhere in his speech or at any other time did Trump incite a riot or call for violence. Show the video if it exists not some newsman's opinion piece.


Apparently you didn’t watch the same speech as the Attorney General of Washington DC who has gone on record to say that he is charging trump with inciting violence.


You can't answer Mr Reynholm's challenge, and I doubt anyone else can either.
He asked people to "show the video if it exists not some newsman's opinion piece" and your response is "but this other guy said he did". LOL.


I was searching for the full speech but this was one of the first results titled “How trump’s Capitol Speech Incited an Insurrection”

The actions of the mob he spoke to seem to be awfully well aligned with the words he spoke. Complete coincidence? :roll: :lol:



Here’s a link to video of the full speech in this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 6-capitol/

No, I have not watched the entire speech - I did hear most of it on a live stream, but I have not listened to 100% of it. The live streamed version I listened to had interruptions from the commentator, David Pakman. Apparently most of it was whining a bunch of fabrications about election fraud that never happened.

As for “this other guy,” umm, he’s not a “newsman,” presenting an opinion piece. He’s the Attorney General of Washington DC and stated that he intends to file criminal charges of inciting violence against trump for what he said & did just prior to the coup attempt at the Capitol. Big difference.. and even you should realize that.



These minions will never admit he incited this and will continue thinking that people interpreted "fight" for attack. Not that it was on Trump that caused it because of his speech.


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14 Jan 2021, 2:01 pm

Hold on, need more popcorn. The apologetics and excuses for trump and his kobold army are hilarious.

It was quiet from the Trump Defense Squad for a few. But it seems they've finally regrouped. I guess they had to wait for orders on what they should think for themselves next. I mean, they spent WEEKS, MONTHS, acting all smug and secure that trump would TOTALLY NEVER do the thing he went and actually did, and acting all pretentious that his followers would TOTALLY NEVER do the thing they went and did. And then they went and did. Frankly, I admire their courage for being willing to jump back in to kissing tRump as early as they did. That's dedication. D'Orange-d Kool-Aid must taste damn good for it to work its way around the globe the way it has.

The really funny part is when people try to play it off like it wasn't that big a deal, but also still try to justify it as a legitimate reaction to "Vowteur Frawld!! !" and other such tripe. IT WAS A REVOLUTION, but not really a revolution, more like a gathering of like-minded people, WITH VALID AND REAL OUTRAGE, but not that big a deal, not that violent, and even if they were whattaboutism! BLM ANTIFA FAKE NEWS BLAH BLAH SHEEPLE GEORGE SOROS UKRAINE HUNTER BIDEN HONKA HONKA BENGAZI!! !



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14 Jan 2021, 2:38 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
I have read the speech and listened to the audio. Maybe I'm the only one who didn't hear the "Dog Whistle" to go and sack the Capital. In reality its just wishful thinking by the Left. He could have recited a recipe for chocolate chip cookies and the Democrats would have made it out to be a nefarious incitement to insurrection.

There's an amazing lack of self-awareness in your post.

Yes, you can assume that everyone exhibits deep-seated subconscious political bias, except you.

But in order to do so, you also have to accept that it's equally likely you are the one exhibiting deep-seated subconscious political bias, and actually everybody else is telling the truth.

And then there's the question of which is more likely, given the circumstances?

The "It's not faaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" whinging has been going on for months now. Trump's legal team have been to Court on numerous occasions and got nowhere, due to lack of evidence. Yet still it persists. Everything Trump is doing is designed to stir up trouble and uncertainty, and undermine the democratic process. Right is wrong, truth is lie, up is down, black is white. Deflection tactics, smoke and mirrors, divide and conquer. If Trump really believed half the stuff he's spouting now, how come it wasn't all investigated and put to bed over the last 4 years, rather than suddenly becoming a problem now he's lost?

The conspiracy theory attitude that any real evidence could and should be automatically dismissed because "that's what THEY want you to think" clearly has no resolution, which is why it's political gold dust. But if we're going to get that sceptical, it needs to be applied with equal dedication to what Trump is saying too. What does HE want you to think? Which lines of thought just happen to benefit him the most? Is he really saving the American people from some form of Democrat elite - itself a contradiction, as elitists don't generally favour giving more of their earnings away in taxes, and if they do it's a mystery why that might be a bad thing. What does putting your faith in Trump - himself a far greater supporter of the top 5% earners in America at everyone else's expense, policy-wise - actually buy you? More egotism, more bullying and blame, more hatred and bile. What substance is there, beneath all the spin? All he's really good at is stirring people up so he can wrong-foot them. His whole Presidency has basically been a Swiss Toni style, shiny suited knob-waving competition. That's all he does.



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14 Jan 2021, 2:42 pm

uncommondenominator wrote:
Hold on, need more popcorn. The apologetics and excuses for trump and his kobold army are hilarious.

It was quiet from the Trump Defense Squad for a few. But it seems they've finally regrouped. I guess they had to wait for orders on what they should think for themselves next. I mean, they spent WEEKS, MONTHS, acting all smug and secure that trump would TOTALLY NEVER do the thing he went and actually did, and acting all pretentious that his followers would TOTALLY NEVER do the thing they went and did. And then they went and did. Frankly, I admire their courage for being willing to jump back in to kissing tRump as early as they did. That's dedication. D'Orange-d Kool-Aid must taste damn good for it to work its way around the globe the way it has.

The really funny part is when people try to play it off like it wasn't that big a deal, but also still try to justify it as a legitimate reaction to "Vowteur Frawld!! !" and other such tripe. IT WAS A REVOLUTION, but not really a revolution, more like a gathering of like-minded people, WITH VALID AND REAL OUTRAGE, but not that big a deal, not that violent, and even if they were whattaboutism! BLM ANTIFA FAKE NEWS BLAH BLAH SHEEPLE GEORGE SOROS UKRAINE HUNTER BIDEN HONKA HONKA BENGAZI!! !


The worst part is Hillary hasn't been locked up yet.



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14 Jan 2021, 2:47 pm

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The worst part is Hillary hasn't been locked up yet.
Yeah!

Hey, TRUMPSTERS!  What happened to "Lock Her Up"?


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