Why Are Right Wing Men So Sad?
Misslizard wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
/\Easy as in free with their sexuality.
Since many are devout fundie Christian, no hanky panky.
Since many are devout fundie Christian, no hanky panky.
Yeah, but red states typically have much higher rates of teen pregnancy, so....
They don’t believe in abortion.
Blue state mom takes her teen to a clinic.
Red state mom makes daughter give birth.
They also dont believe in condoms and the pill.
And when their right wing daughters get pregnant, a lot of them change their minds about abortion.
I am referring to real events in Texas, but cant remember the source.
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ironpony wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
/\Easy as in free with their sexuality.
Since many are devout fundie Christian, no hanky panky.
Since many are devout fundie Christian, no hanky panky.
Oh I see, but I guess the answer would be just go for women who are more sexually free?
It would be best if you let them go for you.
Oh what do you mean exactly?
The_Znof wrote:
And when their right wing daughters get pregnant, a lot of them change their minds about abortion.
The same pro-life people are happy to allow less fortunate women and children to suffer though
https://www.prochoiceamerica.org/campai ... -movement/
Not sure how belief is making others suffer is going to get them into White heaven??
But I'm sure they also believe "as above so below"
ironpony wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
/\Easy as in free with their sexuality.
Since many are devout fundie Christian, no hanky panky.
Since many are devout fundie Christian, no hanky panky.
Oh I see, but I guess the answer would be just go for women who are more sexually free?
It would be best if you let them go for you.
Oh what do you mean exactly?
Let them flirt first, then you know they are interested ,but this is more a topic for L&D.
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The_Znof wrote:
And when their right wing daughters get pregnant, a lot of them change their minds about abortion.
The same pro-life people are happy to allow less fortunate women and children to suffer though
https://www.prochoiceamerica.org/campai ... -movement/
Not sure how belief is making others suffer is going to get them into White heaven??
But I'm sure they also believe "as above so below"
White Heaven’s foundations are built on the suffering of those less fortunate, or the wrong race, sexual orientation, etc...
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slam_thunderhide wrote:
In related news ...
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White liberals more likely to have a mental health condition
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... alth-cond/
By Kelly Sadler - The Washington Times - Thursday, April 22, 2021
ANALYSIS/OPINION:
White liberals are more prone to mental health disorders than individuals who identify as conservative or moderates, according to a Pew Research Center survey.
Sixty-two percent of Whites who classify themselves as “very liberal” or “liberal” have been told by a doctor they have a mental health condition, as compared to 26% of conservatives and 20% of moderates, the study found.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... alth-cond/
By Kelly Sadler - The Washington Times - Thursday, April 22, 2021
ANALYSIS/OPINION:
White liberals are more prone to mental health disorders than individuals who identify as conservative or moderates, according to a Pew Research Center survey.
Sixty-two percent of Whites who classify themselves as “very liberal” or “liberal” have been told by a doctor they have a mental health condition, as compared to 26% of conservatives and 20% of moderates, the study found.
Did anyone actually read the article, because there is actually some weirdly interesting things to take away from it being in the conservative Washington Times. At first I was hoping to find a link to the poll and data, which I couldn't find. But then the writer sneaks in what the 'speculation' is of the one who put the data together, which was that they thought it was evidence that those on the Left were more likely to seek out mental health evaluations rather than buying into other ideologies, which I am guess is saying that left wing mentally unwell people look to a doctor while the right wing are more likely to look to Jesus.
The author of the article then starts to broadly make their own speculations with very little data, which are things like awareness of inequalities such as on racial grounds, which the author uses hyperbole to create a disparity of death numbers. And something she calls "panic porn" surrounding Covid 19, which seems to fit the politics of this specific journalist's politics if you look up her other articles, where she seems unconcerned over the idea of children catching the virus, because they are unlikely to "die", and that all adults who might catch it from kids spreading it will be fine because of the vaccines, or is under a "your choice" for not getting a vaccine.
In summary, the evidence of this lower mental health for "liberals" is that they are more likely to go to a doctor to get diagnosed rather than look into some ideology, and speculated by this conservative writer that they just care too much about things.
Mikah wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
Example. What were one of the flimsy links
Well for one, the tenuous link between personal inadequacies and racial/ethnic awareness & activism if it can be called that - that comes from a very different place. I might accept that as a serious argument if it was also applied to all ethnic groups. Ball is in your court to say if you believe that BLM and all that is driven by personal inadequacies.
I am having a little trouble understanding what you are trying to say. Are you saying that you don't believe that people with more racial biases, the sort of people that are likely to say something racist or have underlying beliefs, are likely to be using it to cover up for personal inadequacies. I would think it a bit like the South Park meme where it is "they took er jerbs", where the attack against the outside people is really covering up for feelings of economic inadequacy.
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Bradleigh wrote:
and what are examples for a "left wing male" that could be used for a similar video.
As I said previously, you can see the moment he even catches himself when he realises that his left wing audience is composed of the young and the angry. He then defends their anger as righteous. But for fun:
Ugly young loser men of lesser ability and low sexual desirability who can't compete in a capitalist world, or a free sexual market seek to bring down the system, in fact all hierarchies rather than try to improve themselves or accept a position they actually deserve and are capable of.
They are driven by anger, envy and hatred at those who are better than them, though they lie to themselves and believe such superiority must have been gained unfairly. They hate being judged more than anything else, because they know they fare poorly.
Their inadequacy and anger, coupled with porn and anime addiction twists them into all kinds of sexual degeneracy. Unlike incels who turn to the Right and older forms of marriage culture, Left wing incels believe their sexual frustrations will be solved by making humans, women in particular, embrace the sexual morality of Bonobo monkeys.
They are often drawn into the more radical sects at university where student organisations groom them. They all end up fighting social conservatism and religion and fight for every sexual freedom and orientation in the hopes that one day it will be legal to do what they all secretly wish to do and see LGBT gain an extra P. OMG how can we deradicalise these misguided young men guise?
I don't really believe that, though I have mixed strands of truth with obnoxious armchair psychology designed to provoke. That's the left wing equivalent of this video. The whole thing is ad hominem dressed up as care and concern.
You are saying that you don't believe that, but you still wrote your counter to the idea of right wing incels, are essentially calling them betas, that want to turn women into sluts to have an easier time getting laid, and are secretly paedophiles that want to make it as acceptable as part of LGBT. Oh, and I guess are just losers trying to punch their way above their economic class, despite I guess the particular generation being referenced has the largest example of being more educated than the ones that came before, but more economically disadvantaged than them in home ownership never being harder.
Again, you are saying you don't believe it, but your responses of similar ideas on the other end of the political spectrum really to push alpha male ideology, who are ruining society by turning women into sluts, and LGBT is a slippery slope to paedophilia?
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ironpony wrote:
Well I think a lot of these pregnancy issues can be solved with condoms and birth control, rather than being red or blue, can't they?
Well the more birth control methods are encouraged, the less abortions are necessary.
But a lot of the red states making laws to restrict abortion, also try to make birth control harder to access. Like they want to force people to have sex only to reproduce, but not for just seeking pleasure.
Best way to prevent abortion is to encourage birth control, but still safe access to abortion needs to exist where that fails or in cases where there are problems with the fetus that could harm the mother. It shouldn't be politicized but unfortunately it is.
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Although I would suggest that the only folks who want to normalize the P are folks who don't respect the value of agency and consent when it comes to partners and those folks don't seem to be part of the pro-sex left. The left won't shut-up about consent, but righties seem to have a lot of traditionalists who devalue the idea of women needing to consent, if they don't care about consent in the first place why would they care about partners not being old enough to consent?
You'd have to ask them for more details - I didn't entirely pull it from thin air, there really is a radical section of the Left interested in this stuff, see multiple recent scandals in Germany and the PIS from the 70s in the UK. They were much more open about it in decades past. From memory though I think the argument is usually something along these lines: they want a more sexually liberated society (for various reasons) - and because the fascist powers that be disapprove of children having sex, especially with adults, this somehow contributes or causes sexual repression in the child and without it the entire world would be like the seediest of gay nightclubs utopia arrives. Or something along those lines.
As for the Right's idea of consent, it's as not as though we are pro-rape. We just understand that:
- drunken consent is consent if the drinks were imbibed freely
- consent given under reasonable social pressure is still consent
- giving no outward indication of non-consent means consent was given
- you can't retrospectively withdraw consent in the morning and send someone to prison for rape - at least in a sane society
I don't think this devalues "the idea of women needing to consent", it's just treating women like adults with agency.
How consent would interact with the RadPedo Left (copyright Mikah give me a penny each time you use it), I imagine they just deny the idea that an underage mind cannot consent. So - appearance of consent would be valid consent in their eyes.
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I am having a little trouble understanding what you are trying to say. Are you saying that you don't believe that people with more racial biases, the sort of people that are likely to say something racist or have underlying beliefs, are likely to be using it to cover up for personal inadequacies. I would think it a bit like the South Park meme where it is "they took er jerbs", where the attack against the outside people is really covering up for feelings of economic inadequacy.
Would you apply it to non-white ethnic or racial activism? If not - you have some more thinking to do.
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You are saying that you don't believe that, but you still wrote your counter to the idea of right wing incels, are essentially calling them betas, that want to turn women into sluts to have an easier time getting laid, and are secretly paedophiles that want to make it as acceptable as part of LGBT. Oh, and I guess are just losers trying to punch their way above their economic class, despite I guess the particular generation being referenced has the largest example of being more educated than the ones that came before, but more economically disadvantaged than them in home ownership never being harder.
Again, you are saying you don't believe it, but your responses of similar ideas on the other end of the political spectrum really to push alpha male ideology, who are ruining society by turning women into sluts, and LGBT is a slippery slope to paedophilia?
Again, you are saying you don't believe it, but your responses of similar ideas on the other end of the political spectrum really to push alpha male ideology, who are ruining society by turning women into sluts, and LGBT is a slippery slope to paedophilia?
Its only purpose is to shed light on the nature of the original video.
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Mikah wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Although I would suggest that the only folks who want to normalize the P are folks who don't respect the value of agency and consent when it comes to partners and those folks don't seem to be part of the pro-sex left. The left won't shut-up about consent, but righties seem to have a lot of traditionalists who devalue the idea of women needing to consent, if they don't care about consent in the first place why would they care about partners not being old enough to consent?
You'd have to ask them for more details - I didn't entirely pull it from thin air, there really is a radical section of the Left interested in this stuff, see multiple recent scandals in Germany and the PIS from the 70s in the UK. They were much more open about it in decades past. From memory though I think the argument is usually something along these lines: they want a more sexually liberated society (for various reasons) - and because the fascist powers that be disapprove of children having sex, especially with adults, this somehow contributes or causes sexual repression in the child and without it the entire world would be like the seediest of gay nightclubs utopia arrives. Or something along those lines.
As for the Right's idea of consent, it's as not as though we are pro-rape. We just understand that:
- drunken consent is consent if the drinks were imbibed freely
- consent given under reasonable social pressure is still consent
- giving no outward indication of non-consent means consent was given
- you can't retrospectively withdraw consent in the morning and send someone to prison for rape - at least in a sane society
I don't think this devalues "the idea of women needing to consent", it's just treating women like adults with agency.
How consent would interact with the RadPedo Left (copyright Mikah give me a penny each time you use it), I imagine they just deny the idea that an underage mind cannot consent. So - appearance of consent would be valid consent in their eyes.
To be fair, my opinion might be biased from how so often far-right boards like 8chan seem to also be hotbeds of people who post cartoon kiddie porn and talk about wanting to f**k underage celebrities.
Those are the only spaces I've ever seen discussions of that nature normalized. Those are the only spaces I've ever seen that content tolerated. YMMV
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Mikah wrote:
You'd have to ask them for more details - I didn't entirely pull it from thin air, there really is a radical section of the Left interested in this stuff, see multiple recent scandals in Germany and the PIS from the 70s in the UK. They were much more open about it in decades past. From memory though I think the argument is usually something along these lines: they want a more sexually liberated society (for various reasons) - and because the fascist powers that be disapprove of children having sex, especially with adults, this somehow contributes or causes sexual repression in the child and without it the entire world would be like the seediest of gay nightclubs utopia arrives. Or something along those lines.
As for the Right's idea of consent, it's as not as though we are pro-rape. We just understand that:
- drunken consent is consent if the drinks were imbibed freely
- consent given under reasonable social pressure is still consent
- giving no outward indication of non-consent means consent was given
- you can't retrospectively withdraw consent in the morning and send someone to prison for rape - at least in a sane society
I don't think this devalues "the idea of women needing to consent", it's just treating women like adults with agency.
How consent would interact with the RadPedo Left (copyright Mikah give me a penny each time you use it), I imagine they just deny the idea that an underage mind cannot consent. So - appearance of consent would be valid consent in their eyes.
As for the Right's idea of consent, it's as not as though we are pro-rape. We just understand that:
- drunken consent is consent if the drinks were imbibed freely
- consent given under reasonable social pressure is still consent
- giving no outward indication of non-consent means consent was given
- you can't retrospectively withdraw consent in the morning and send someone to prison for rape - at least in a sane society
I don't think this devalues "the idea of women needing to consent", it's just treating women like adults with agency.
How consent would interact with the RadPedo Left (copyright Mikah give me a penny each time you use it), I imagine they just deny the idea that an underage mind cannot consent. So - appearance of consent would be valid consent in their eyes.
Take a guess for what side of the political aisle pushes to keep child marriages to adults be legal. I have no idea what evidence you have for modern left wing has any substantial pro-paedophile beliefs, outside of getting them help. Is there are larger organisation that hid cases of sexual misconduct than cases than the Catholic church?
Do you really believe that a dude pressured someone into getting drunk so they would be more agreeable and not be able to think clearly, couldn't be sidestepping the active consent of an individual. That a person wielding reasonable (whatever that subjective term might mean for any case) can't have manipulated someone into sex when they would not have otherwise, like I guess a celebrity that might guilt a fan into it. That a person not saying "no" means that they are saying "yes", I guess especially with the other two examples where their judgement might be impaired. And I am thinking that the "retroactively in the morning" can apply to someone who in the middle of it decided that they actually didn't want to, or again the cases above where they might have been manipulated by intoxication, influenced by social pressures, or maybe were too afraid to say no at the time because they might have been afraid that they would be hurt.
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IsabellaLinton wrote:
I was going to ask what 8Chan is, but it seems like I wouldn't want to know.
Why do you go there if that's the content and you say it's far-right?
Why do you go there if that's the content and you say it's far-right?
It's an imageboard. It's where the QAnon conspiracy theory took off.
Boards like that give insight into what and how the far-right thinks; they're also among the better known places so people will advertise more obscure sites.
Understanding one's opponents is vital for defeating those opponents, no?
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IsabellaLinton wrote:
I was going to ask what 8Chan is, but it seems like I wouldn't want to know.
Why do you go there if that's the content and you say it's far-right?
Why do you go there if that's the content and you say it's far-right?
It's an imageboard. It's where the QAnon conspiracy theory took off.
Boards like that give insight into what and how the far-right thinks; they're also among the better known places so people will advertise more obscure sites.
Understanding one's opponents is vital for defeating those opponents, no?
I don't defeat people, so I don't have an opinion. I try to stay out of politics and just live my life. That's not a judgement on anyone, but I really wouldn't know about opponents. I wouldn't want to understand someone with a bad character or ethics.
I didn't even know what QAnon was until about January or February this year I asked someone on WP. I can't even watch shows like Survivor where people plot against each other or make strategies and alliances. It's all over my head.
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Mikah wrote:
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I am having a little trouble understanding what you are trying to say. Are you saying that you don't believe that people with more racial biases, the sort of people that are likely to say something racist or have underlying beliefs, are likely to be using it to cover up for personal inadequacies. I would think it a bit like the South Park meme where it is "they took er jerbs", where the attack against the outside people is really covering up for feelings of economic inadequacy.
Would you apply it to non-white ethnic or racial activism? If not - you have some more thinking to do.
There is a difference, right? Whether activism comes from a place of defending the majority in power ethnicity or racial group by hitting down to say that they deserve what mistreatment or inequality they get. Against activism that addresses mistreatment or inequality put against minority groups, which is more punching up rather than punching down.
On the principal of applying to "non-white ethnic or racial activism", of course I think the same. It would apply just the same to say pro ethnically Japanese activism in Japan where it might be discrimination against foreigners, or anti-west beliefs in North Korea and highly conservative Muslim countries that don't have many rights due to strong adherence to religious doctrine and superiority.
As hard as it might be to believe, there is nothing about an inherent evil unique to race or ethnicity.
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