Does systemic racism against blacks even exist anymore?

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18 Aug 2021, 11:30 pm

racists and their allies can't seem to tolerate it when we tell the truth about them. so state after state texas-izes their schoolbooks/public school curriculum to make them at best poo-poo racism and not ever mention the truth about race in this country from the very founding.



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18 Aug 2021, 11:32 pm

Hey Blabs

I've invited bringing in evidence that CRT exists in schools....I seem to be listening to the sounds of crickets chirping :lol:



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18 Aug 2021, 11:33 pm

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Hey Blabs

I've invited bringing in evidence that CRT exists in schools....I seem to be listening to the sounds of crickets chirping :lol:

the usual crowd is using this as its latest big stick to bash us with.



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18 Aug 2021, 11:33 pm

Let them try :lol:



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19 Aug 2021, 8:11 am

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If being black is so disadvantageous in American society, how do we account for persons like Rachel Dolezal or Shaun King? These are white people attempting to pass as black. Or "Identify" as black. What could possibly be their motivation?
Answer: Being black in America is not a disadvantage.

I have been anti-CRT as anyone but because I believe it is a harmful solution to the problem, not because I believe there is no problem.

One reason being black in America is a disadvantage is you can not mask being black.

So is being black a bad thing? Is it a curse or something?
In America today its not your color that determines your success or failure, it has more to do with mental attitude. There are plenty of successful black Americans who would agree.

It is not bad. Some autistics can mask thus avoiding being discriminated against for their autistic behaviors, I can pass for non Jewish thus avoiding hate crimes, my ancestors avoided looking Jewish, they faked being goyim to make it. Back when homophobia was rampant gays hid it, you can not tell by looking at person if he is homosexual. There is no avoiding racists from knowing you are black. And lets face it the word black is associated with negativity, “It’s a black day”, “It’s a dark moment”

There is no doubt the any ethnic group will face peculiar challenges, however being black doesn't make one a pariah. Nor is it a defect that needs to be hidden. There are plenty of successful black Americans who have become wealthy and influential. I think its condescending to treat black people as if they were inferior and incapable of achieving on their own.



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19 Aug 2021, 9:39 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
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If being black is so disadvantageous in American society, how do we account for persons like Rachel Dolezal or Shaun King? These are white people attempting to pass as black. Or "Identify" as black. What could possibly be their motivation?
Answer: Being black in America is not a disadvantage.

I have been anti-CRT as anyone but because I believe it is a harmful solution to the problem, not because I believe there is no problem.

One reason being black in America is a disadvantage is you can not mask being black.

So is being black a bad thing? Is it a curse or something?
In America today its not your color that determines your success or failure, it has more to do with mental attitude. There are plenty of successful black Americans who would agree.

It is not bad. Some autistics can mask thus avoiding being discriminated against for their autistic behaviors, I can pass for non Jewish thus avoiding hate crimes, my ancestors avoided looking Jewish, they faked being goyim to make it. Back when homophobia was rampant gays hid it, you can not tell by looking at person if he is homosexual. There is no avoiding racists from knowing you are black. And lets face it the word black is associated with negativity, “It’s a black day”, “It’s a dark moment”

There is no doubt the any ethnic group will face peculiar challenges, however being black doesn't make one a pariah. Nor is it a defect that needs to be hidden. There are plenty of successful black Americans who have become wealthy and influential. I think its condescending to treat black people as if they were inferior and incapable of achieving on their own.

I agree it is not only condescending to treat blacks as if they are inferior it is the definition of being a racist.

Just because some blacks or autistics for that matter succeed does not mean these groups in general are not a disadvantage. It means they overcame their disadvantages or individually they were not disadvantaged. It seems with Americans either racism has diminished to such a point that most everybody should and can overcome it or racism is so ingrained that all whites are privileged and all blacks are perpetual victims even if they are not aware of it. If there is such a thing as a society having mental illnesses this is what it looks like. One side is paranoid, the other is in total denial, both are delusional.


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19 Aug 2021, 10:52 am

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racists and their allies can't seem to tolerate it when we tell the truth about them. so state after state texas-izes their schoolbooks/public school curriculum to make them at best poo-poo racism and not ever mention the truth about race in this country from the very founding.

I am not in favor in banning teaching of Critical Race Theory, that is cancel culture but bring to an older children. Agree with CRT or not the concept of white privilege, subtle racism, being a racist and not realizing it is too nuanced for the vast majority of elementary school students.

CRT supporters keep on saying those of us who oppose CRT want to ban teaching about slavery or the destruction of the Indian Nations as if it is the God’s honest truth. I am sure you can find an example. I have not.

Speaking of Texasizing this is the Texas Anti CRT law
https://epe.brightspotcdn.com/9d/98/9518027c4e72abcff035dce492ff/hb03979f.pdf
The requirements include teaching the materials from Fredrick Douglas, Sally Hemmings, The Indian Removal Act, materials related to the Chicano movement, Susan B. Anthony, Abigail Adams ‘Remember the Ladies’ Declaration of Sentiments, Caesar Chavez, the eugenics movement, the KKK and why they are wrong etc.

I was not taught a lot of the things required by this law, I wish I was. I found out about the extent and influence of American Eugenics maybe six or seven years ago.

There is teaching about a subject and there is indoctrination. You can teach that there is a new emerging controversial view of history that believes America was founded on slavery in 1619 and this is the defining feature of the country without having students rate their level of privileges and oppression which is an assumption of fact.

Both anti racism and Texas law get this wrong.


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19 Aug 2021, 7:35 pm

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I think its condescending to treat black people as if they were inferior and incapable of achieving on their own.


The US is a big country. Outside of black majority areas around urban centres there are large tracts of land across America which are still "no-go" areas for black people and where they are still not welcome.

A poor white person can go anywhere in America and be welcome by the locals.

That's systemic racism.



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20 Aug 2021, 8:37 am

cyberdad wrote:
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I think its condescending to treat black people as if they were inferior and incapable of achieving on their own.


The US is a big country. Outside of black majority areas around urban centres there are large tracts of land across America which are still "no-go" areas for black people and where they are still not welcome.

A poor white person can go anywhere in America and be welcome by the locals.

That's systemic racism.

I call Utter BS on that statement.
Have you ever been here? There aren't any "NO GO" zones for black people in America.



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Mr Reynholm wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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I think its condescending to treat black people as if they were inferior and incapable of achieving on their own.


The US is a big country. Outside of black majority areas around urban centres there are large tracts of land across America which are still "no-go" areas for black people and where they are still not welcome.

A poor white person can go anywhere in America and be welcome by the locals.

That's systemic racism.

I call Utter BS on that statement.
Have you ever been here? There aren't any "NO GO" zones for black people in America.


Ahmaud Arbery might disagree with you.


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20 Aug 2021, 2:52 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
I think its condescending to treat black people as if they were inferior and incapable of achieving on their own.


The US is a big country. Outside of black majority areas around urban centres there are large tracts of land across America which are still "no-go" areas for black people and where they are still not welcome.

A poor white person can go anywhere in America and be welcome by the locals.

That's systemic racism.

I call Utter BS on that statement.
Have you ever been here? There aren't any "NO GO" zones for black people in America.


Ahmaud Arbery might disagree with you.

He wasn't in a "No Go" zone. He was the victim of a crime.



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20 Aug 2021, 9:10 pm

Weren't most US towns "sundown towns" till the 1960s? If you were black and caught in one of thousands of towns you could literally get thrown in prison or worse.

What I'm talking about is "not being made welcome". In 2021 there are literally thousands of cases on the internet of black people being arrested or accosted by police for simply being in a "white neighborhood" or "white town" in the US.

It's horrible that you would avoid 3/4 of the country to take your family on a holiday because your wife and kids would be made uncomfortable and unwelcome even in places like public pools or beaches because people who look like you are an oddity to local whites,

Unless you've been living under a rock, the whole "karen" meme evolved from black men and women being harrassed by white men and women for being in a public place or even their own apartments or homes, It's a thing now because of i) digital cameras and ii) ability to upload videos to social media in seconds. Apple and Samsung have literally saved thousands of black lives in the past decade.



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20 Aug 2021, 9:14 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
I think its condescending to treat black people as if they were inferior and incapable of achieving on their own.


The US is a big country. Outside of black majority areas around urban centres there are large tracts of land across America which are still "no-go" areas for black people and where they are still not welcome.

A poor white person can go anywhere in America and be welcome by the locals.

That's systemic racism.

I call Utter BS on that statement.
Have you ever been here? There aren't any "NO GO" zones for black people in America.


Ahmaud Arbery might disagree with you.

He wasn't in a "No Go" zone. He was the victim of a crime.


jogging while black



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21 Aug 2021, 2:53 am

^^^^people who don't want to believe ACKNOWLEDGE that there is entrenched racism in amuuuurica simply will not be moved no matter how persuasive and blatant the evidence to the contrary, there are none so blind as those who will not see. you're wasting your energy even talking to them.



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21 Aug 2021, 3:39 am

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^^^^people who don't want to believe ACKNOWLEDGE that there is entrenched racism in amuuuurica simply will not be moved no matter how persuasive and blatant the evidence to the contrary, there are none so blind as those who will not see. you're wasting your energy even talking to them.


Yeah I know what you mean. There's even an attempt to try and diffuse or sound conciliatory now. "I don't see race" so lets not talk about it. The problem for PoC is that many white folk "do see race" and for PoC they "do" have to put up with it.

Yeah I have been putting up with snide comments for being an ally to BLM from the usual people here on WP for some years now but I guess this par of course.



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21 Aug 2021, 4:08 am

cyberdad wrote:
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^^^^people who don't want to believe ACKNOWLEDGE that there is entrenched racism in amuuuurica simply will not be moved no matter how persuasive and blatant the evidence to the contrary, there are none so blind as those who will not see. you're wasting your energy even talking to them.


Yeah I know what you mean. There's even an attempt to try and diffuse or sound conciliatory now. "I don't see race" so lets not talk about it. The problem for PoC is that many white folk "do see race" and for PoC they "do" have to put up with it.

Yeah I have been putting up with snide comments for being an ally to BLM from the usual people here on WP for some years now but I guess this par of course.

IMHO it would be better if you just cut your losses and made those people persona non grata.