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02 Feb 2022, 2:47 am

Dox47 wrote:

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I think this is more about running down Biden than anything else.

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The hill you're fighting on to do it has been used for racism in the past.

Wait, you're literally arguing for picking someone based on their race and gender and not their underlying qualifications, and you are accusing me of using an argument that racists have used in the past? Maybe roll that one around in your head a few more times and see if you can spot the issue.

No, I'm saying Biden can promote someone who's a black female and is qualified. I get the sense an element of the right is more concerned about race and gender than about actual fairness.
Seriously, you think criticism of Biden is as fair and legitimate as it was of Trump??? For all his faults - and admittedly, they are many - Biden is light years better than that narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag.

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02 Feb 2022, 2:50 am

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Seriously, you think criticism of Biden is as fair and legitimate as it was of Trump??? For all his faults - and admittedly, they are many - Biden is light years better than that narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag.

I think that's the purpose of zeroing on Biden whenever he so much as sneezes. While pretending Trump wasn't really that bad.

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02 Feb 2022, 2:53 am

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I think that's the purpose of zeroing on Biden whenever he so much as sneezes. While pretending Trump wasn't really that bad.

How soon people forget, or so Trump fans are counting on. :roll:

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02 Feb 2022, 2:56 am

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For all his faults - and admittedly, they are many - Biden is light years better than that narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag.

By being "light years better" you mean that instead of being a "narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag", he's an actual, fully fledged "narcissistic, blithering fascist windbag"?

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02 Feb 2022, 3:00 am

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For all his faults - and admittedly, they are many - Biden is light years better than that narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag.

By being "light years better" you mean that instead of being a "narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag", he's an actual, fully fledged "narcissistic, blithering fascist windbag"?

How does that even come close to describing Biden?
I admittedly should correct myself: I meant to say Trump is a wannabe fascist.

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02 Feb 2022, 4:39 am

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No, I'm saying Biden can promote someone who's a black female and is qualified.

No one has said he can't, as has been explained to you multiple times, at length, by various people.

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I get the sense an element of the right is more concerned about race and gender than about actual fairness.

The right is more concerned about race and gender than fairness, because they called foul on the left picking a justice based on race and gender?

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That's the thing though, I don't have to consider Trump at all in order to criticize Biden as I have a consistent set of standards to judge by, not one that shifts and changes according to which party is in power. There isn't some "but Trump!" rule forcing me to measure all presidential faux pas against the 45th president, Biden has his own faults and flaws to criticize, and boy there are a lot of them to pick from.

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02 Feb 2022, 4:51 am

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Brictoria wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

For all his faults - and admittedly, they are many - Biden is light years better than that narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag.

By being "light years better" you mean that instead of being a "narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag", he's an actual, fully fledged "narcissistic, blithering fascist windbag"?

How does that even come close to describing Biden?
I admittedly should correct myself: I meant to say Trump is a wannabe fascist.

You said Biden was "light years better" than a "wannabe", and the only way to better than a "wannabe" is to be a "fully fledged"\exceptional example of the what the "wannabe" was trying to be.

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02 Feb 2022, 4:52 am

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By being "light years better" you mean that instead of being a "narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag", he's an actual, fully fledged "narcissistic, blithering fascist windbag"?

That's not exactly fair, I don't think he has any principles as strong as fascism, he's spent his career as a truth challenged, mildly corrupt empty suit looking out for the good corporations of Delaware until Obama needed an old warhorse to stand next to him and reassure the boomers that we wasn't going to go radical on them, and then snoozed his way into the Oval Office on a campaign of being Not Donald Trump conducted from his basement. I hate to go with the cliche, but I don't think he's driving the bus when it comes to his administration, he's an old normie and he ran on a return to normalcy platform, I suspect all of these sops to the left and covid hysteria are coming from the younger staffers within his White House, aided and abetted by the aging Senate Dems fearing primary challenges from their left (Chuck Schumer is looking over his shoulder for AOC like she's a sniper drawing a bead on him). The angry old man rants are definitely all him though, he's actually been doing that for years if anyone bothered to notice (and didn't try to write it off as a "stutter").

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02 Feb 2022, 4:59 am

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No, I'm saying Biden can promote someone who's a black female and is qualified.

No one has said he can't, as has been explained to you multiple times, at length, by various people.

Kraichgauer wrote:

I get the sense an element of the right is more concerned about race and gender than about actual fairness.

The right is more concerned about race and gender than fairness, because they called foul on the left picking a justice based on race and gender?

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If you believe Biden can in fact pick a black woman who is qualified, why are you arguing the point?
People of color and women have long been given the short end of the stick, which is why progressives try to rectify it. It's the right that's been using the fairness argument to stifle that effort with a disingenuous argument to uphold the status quo.

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02 Feb 2022, 5:01 am

Brictoria wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

For all his faults - and admittedly, they are many - Biden is light years better than that narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag.

By being "light years better" you mean that instead of being a "narcissistic, blithering fascist wannabe windbag", he's an actual, fully fledged "narcissistic, blithering fascist windbag"?

How does that even come close to describing Biden?
I admittedly should correct myself: I meant to say Trump is a wannabe fascist.

You said Biden was "light years better" than a "wannabe", and the only way to better than a "wannabe" is to be a "fully fledged"\exceptional example of the what the "wannabe" was trying to be.

You know very well that I corrected myself, explaining how Biden is better than a wannabe strongman like Trump.

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02 Feb 2022, 5:09 am

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If you believe Biden can in fact pick a black woman who is qualified, why are you arguing the point?

Anyone here on the left care to take a crack at explaining this to Bill? Maybe one of you will have better luck, he seems to place more value on the partisan alignment of the speaker than what is actually said.

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People of color and women have long been given the short end of the stick, which is why progressives try to rectify it. It's the right that's been using the fairness argument to stifle that effort with a disingenuous argument to uphold the status quo.

Right back to fighting racism with racism, exactly where we started.

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02 Feb 2022, 5:24 am

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

If you believe Biden can in fact pick a black woman who is qualified, why are you arguing the point?

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Right back to fighting racism with racism, exactly where we started.

Probably easiest to leave him in his comfortable position behind a "principle" that encourages a return to "Whites only need apply" and "Blacks only need apply" employment advertisments...

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02 Feb 2022, 7:10 am

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Probably easiest to leave him in his comfortable position behind a "principle" that encourages a return to "Whites only need apply" and "Blacks only need apply" employment advertisments...

He'll find a way to claim that's not what he actually said or that it's different when they do it, I suspect you saw him trying to wriggle out of a screenshot earlier.

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02 Feb 2022, 11:50 am

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Biden made a promise during the height of racial unrest and turbulence, a time during which a community of people asked to be prioritized in a way they never have been. What he did was tell them he was willing to prioritize them, and the black thought leaders I've followed felt it was about time.

The promise may be more performative than substantive when it comes to fixing multiple centuries of inequality, but I know at least one black female lawyer who felt the promise would make a world of difference to many, many MANY black women like herself. To her, this MEANS something.

Those of us who don't sit in the shoes of someone like her can't pretend to understand.

The reality is that we can't even the playing field without prioritizing those stuck in the gopher holes. Some dirt is going to have to be moved around.

To achieve equality a few moves are going to have to be made that aren't actually equal. The gopher holes need to get filled in.

Pretending we can be blind to race and all past ills will be resolved is naive. It isn't going to work that way. Some sort of reparation is going to be required. Biden's promise is basically a form of reparation. Maybe not ideal, the optics aren't great, but he made a promise and he's keeping it.

(you all know that the more you go off in one direction, the stronger the need I'll feel to pull you in another, right? It's less about winning than putting weight onto factors I don't see being given enough)

Where you willing to overlook it for the past potus? I think I know the answer.

If you were being honest and wanted unity, then why perpetuate the division? Why not admit racism is wrong and stand together to correct the wrong as one larger voice? I’m reading it as you are refusing to admit it is wrong by claiming it’s nuanced and ignoring the facts. I have no intent of being judgmental but this is your history as I have observed on the board.

I am blind to race and it’s not naivety, it’s programed into who I am. I have a neurobiological difference from you. I also have a moral code that was developed differently from yours. A lie is being dishonest and even when you lie to yourself, it is wrong. I have no reparational debt to society and even tho I was systematically oppressed in the past, society does not owe me as I refuse to be a victim.

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02 Feb 2022, 5:29 pm

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

If you believe Biden can in fact pick a black woman who is qualified, why are you arguing the point?

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Right back to fighting racism with racism, exactly where we started.

Senator John Kennedy (the southerner with a complete skull) said he thought a black female judge couldn't tell the difference between a J. Crew catalogue and a law book.
https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/senato ... w-catalog/
So, yes, there is an underlining racist justification behind opposition to Biden's pick.
Fight racism with racism? Nobody is promoting racial justice and diversity in order to hurt white people.

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02 Feb 2022, 8:12 pm

Politicians often hire a person based on the group they are in. It is called “balancing the ticket” or “rewarding supporters”. Yes it is discrimination. Biden is just more open about it. Politicians make tradeoffs for a living. In this case it is payment to James Clyburn for his endorsement that was one of the key factors in Biden’s nomination.

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