I’m fed up with people not liking vaccine mandates

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This only includes people who get infected. Vaccinated people are less likely to get infected, and thus less likely to transmit.

Measuring viral load is a bit of a red herring in any case. Morbidity and mortality is more important. I think we’d all be fine with a very high viral load if we were asymptomatic, wouldn’t we? Whereas dying with a relatively low viral load would not be OK.

The Covid vaccine's effectiveness becomes less after a few months, especially Astra-Zeneca's. As Covid has been more dangerous than flu, it probably makes more sense to have more frequent boosters. The flu vaccine has been known to be only 50% effective at its peak, the Covid ones having been remarkably better in that respect.

There's also the benefit to the health services - boosters will reduce the pressure on hospital beds, ventilators etc., even if the effect isn't all that marked in a given individual. That can be quite helpful in a country where the health services are getting close to being overwhelmed.

But if it isn't all that marked in an individual how does it really help then if individuals are hardly marked from it?

so called better efficiency of Covid vaccines..
numbers of breakthrough infections are skewed, because vaxxed ones did not needed to test as often as unvaxxed ones.
so in fact, one cannot certainly say that vaccinated are less prone to infection



there is one thing called immunosenescence. Means that immunity decreases as age increases.
Covid vaccine was tested on young mices. so we cannot know how effective, if even was the vaccine in case of elder people.

Oh ok. And this is why I do not get the big deal about a booster if results are inconclusive.

We don't know everything about this yet. It's entirely possible (and there are some early signs) that an asymptomatic or mild infection will still have consequences down the road.

Has no one on this thread heard about shingles? It comes from what used to be seen as a largely benign virus--the one that causes chickenpox. There's a twist, though: those who got it as kids carry it in their bodies long after they've apparently healed, and then--bam--about 1/3 of those people develop shingles in their later years. Even if you have a mild case of it, as I did, it HURTS LIKE HELL, as if you're being burned alive. More serious cases of it can leave you with scars, chronic pain, pneumonia, and eye, brain, and/or hearing damage.

Some things are double-edged swords; you may develop great immunity after "conquering" a disease, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're free of potential complications.

As for all this effective/not effective back-and-forth about covid vaccines: the longer this s**t runs around, spreading, mutating, and spreading again, (largely because so many people refuse to take any personal responsibility) the more the vaccine will need to be tweaked to deal with the next variant. It will take more time (and we're already rushing to catch up) more work, and more money, while those who don't understand the basics of science will keep griping about how it doesn't work. Guess what? A pandemic is global; it affects the whole world and therefore it needs to be addressed by the whole world.

K I have a degree is math, and my areas publically available data is showing very little to no transmission difference for vaccination.
Death, and hospitalization, yes…
So yeah. Someone please produce numbers showing it works. I’m willing to attribute the difference in expectation to a difference in behaviour from the two groups.
Not saying it isn’t annoying, but risk level from say, actively harming people to, closer to a person that doesn’t wear a seatbelt.

The thing I cannot stand anymore is the government wanting to remain in limbo with these lockdowns. They do not want to force people to get vaccinated by actual force, under extreme martial law, but they do not want to lift the mandates and lockdowns either. They cannot declare that they have lost with the battle with covid and just throw in the towel, but they will not do what it would take to win either.

So they remain in limbo with one hand tied around their b$%s all the time, and that is what gets to me is that they want results but do not want to get their hands dirty, but at the same time, cannot handle the psychological blow of giving up. They keep wanting to have their cake and eat it too.

The rest is spot on. We know mild original cases sometimes result in debilitating Long Covid. I have heard very little about if Long Covid can happen after the "mild" Omicron. Even with "mild" Omicron during the recent surge, enough (mostly unvaccinated) people clogged the hospitals so that "elective" surgeries were canceled.



Over here they are just giving up and lifting mitigations. How much mitigation varies by state and locality but there have not been lockdowns in a long time.

What it all means is that we "have to learn to live with it", more specifically for the most part mitigation decisions are up to our best individual guesses.

I like it this way. So much so that at times I have actually considered voting republican in the mid terms, even if I don’t agree with some of their other policies. But somehow through the delta and omicron surges, liberal states haven’t locked down, so perhaps I’ll be less hesitant to vote democrat. The country up north is a different story, tho

As much as I understand being upset if you’re vaxxed and restrictions are being imposed on you, I don’t feel bad for any anti vaxxer complaining about their rights being taken away when there is such an easy way to get those rights back or to keep your job or whatever.

Take police officers for example. All of a sudden there’s no such thing as wanting to do anything to protect your citizens when you’re asked to take a vaccine and they blame the government for imposing vaccine mandates.