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09 Jul 2022, 7:29 am

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Again, a tiny minority of the UK population will be choosing our next Prime Minister i.e. the Conservative Party membership, 100K or so? Out of a population of 68 million. This happened after Cameron, after May and now after Johnson. It is governing by the back door. We can expect this to happen ad infinitum. They elect a Conservative Party leader who by default becomes the PM. Then he/she resigns and they elect another leader, who by default becomes the PM. Then he/she resigns... See where this is going?



That's not a particularly Tory Party thing though. In the mid-70s, Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson resigned, and Jim Callaghan took over, without ever having faced a general election. Same thing happened in 2007 when Gordon Brown replaced Blair.


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09 Jul 2022, 7:40 am

Yeah we vote for parties rather tham leaders. Which I think is a positive tbh.



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09 Jul 2022, 7:58 am

Thanks for that. I was wondering about that too. That let's me off the hook.


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09 Jul 2022, 8:32 am

Sunak is currently the bookies favourite. I wonder if its because he's someone who we are already familiar with.

I think he's followed by Mordaunt but it's quite a large difference. Then Liz Truss.

Personally I can't see liz Truss becoming pm.

Wallace would have been the bookies favourite and now they're saying that whoever he endorses will have the best advantage.


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09 Jul 2022, 9:55 am

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Sunak already announcing he is the man to fix the problems with the economy. He will be furious when he finds out who has been in charge of the economy for the last 2 1/2 years....
:lol: Yes indeed.

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He is one of the chief enablers. I hope he gets absolutely pummelled and humiliated in these votes.
Agree. He's altogether too... oily - but that seems to be a positive these days.


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09 Jul 2022, 10:19 am

Suella Braverman's voting record

Consistently voted against equal gay rights
- Consistently voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
- Voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex
- Consistently voted for new high speed rail infrastructure
- Consistently voted for more restrictive regulation of trade union activity
- Almost always voted against higher taxes on banks
- Almost always voted against measures to prevent climate change
- Consistently voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities
- Generally voted for a stricter asylum system
- Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
- Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
- Generally voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK



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09 Jul 2022, 10:28 am

Biscuitman wrote:
Suella Braverman's voting record

Consistently voted against equal gay rights
- Consistently voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
- Voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex
- Consistently voted for new high speed rail infrastructure
- Consistently voted for more restrictive regulation of trade union activity
- Almost always voted against higher taxes on banks
- Almost always voted against measures to prevent climate change
- Consistently voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities
- Generally voted for a stricter asylum system
- Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
- Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
- Generally voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK


Welcome to a brighter future then...sarcastic emoticon


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09 Jul 2022, 10:44 am

Biscuitman wrote:
Suella Braverman's voting record

Consistently voted against equal gay rights
- Consistently voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
- Voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex
- Consistently voted for new high speed rail infrastructure
- Consistently voted for more restrictive regulation of trade union activity
- Almost always voted against higher taxes on banks
- Almost always voted against measures to prevent climate change
- Consistently voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities
- Generally voted for a stricter asylum system
- Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
- Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
- Generally voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK


Proper Tory, then.


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09 Jul 2022, 6:38 pm

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His replacement, Samuel Allardyce, looks like a real sweetheart . . .
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I'm really not sure whether or not you're in on the joke...
Probably not . . . did I ever mention I am on the ASD spectrum?

Fair enough!

The joke here is that Sam Allardyce is a football manager. He is known for being somewhat behind the times. He was briefly the England manager but had to step down after only one match due to being caught giving advice on how to break rules on third-party player ownership.

Allardyce is not a politician, and is here being used as a punchline. I don’t know enough about American sports to suggest who he would be a parallel to, and all the American celebrities I can think of who might have similar associations… are actually involved in politics (Donald Trump, Roseanne Barr, Kanye West). I guess maybe it’s like someone saying that Joe Biden is about to be replaced by the singer Meat Loaf?



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09 Jul 2022, 6:39 pm

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He has a very good grasp of foreign relations. He will help to restore British leadership and plan for tomorrow.


Not what I see. Tugendhat is a bit of a prat - far too trigger happy. He publicly backed the idea of expelling every Russian civilian from the country because of Ukraine and you can pretty much guarantee he'll have a stupid, reckless idea to expend British soldiers in hand when it comes to any foreign conflict. If a hot war with Russia or another Blairite Iraq-style adventure is what you want - he is the most likely to accidentally or deliberately bring about such things.

I’m certainly against expelling people on the grounds of nationality. That was a rather stupid thing for him to say.

That being said, he still seems like comfortably the best candidate.



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10 Jul 2022, 5:20 am

Apparently Johnson has set an all-time record for the number of ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries to resign during his tenure... and most of them went in a 48-hour period. This is also the first time in over a century that 3 sucessive Prime Ministers have resigned (not counting those who lost their majority in an election and weren't able to form a coalition). It's notable that when Blair resigned, he was actually very popular in Parliament (but not with ordinary Labour members!) and executing a pre-arranged plan to hand over power to Brown. ED: He wasn't forced out, is what I'm trying to say!


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10 Jul 2022, 5:43 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Mikah wrote:
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He has a very good grasp of foreign relations. He will help to restore British leadership and plan for tomorrow.


Not what I see. Tugendhat is a bit of a prat - far too trigger happy. He publicly backed the idea of expelling every Russian civilian from the country because of Ukraine and you can pretty much guarantee he'll have a stupid, reckless idea to expend British soldiers in hand when it comes to any foreign conflict. If a hot war with Russia or another Blairite Iraq-style adventure is what you want - he is the most likely to accidentally or deliberately bring about such things.

I’m certainly against expelling people on the grounds of nationality. That was a rather stupid thing for him to say.

That being said, he still seems like comfortably the best candidate.


Tugendhat is currently running at 27/2.


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10 Jul 2022, 5:45 am

Anyone willing to put a couple of quid on Theresa Coffee at 200/1 :wink: :lol:

I'm still struggling to understand what the point of her is.


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10 Jul 2022, 8:21 am

DeepHour wrote:
KitLily wrote:

Again, a tiny minority of the UK population will be choosing our next Prime Minister i.e. the Conservative Party membership, 100K or so? Out of a population of 68 million. This happened after Cameron, after May and now after Johnson. It is governing by the back door. We can expect this to happen ad infinitum. They elect a Conservative Party leader who by default becomes the PM. Then he/she resigns and they elect another leader, who by default becomes the PM. Then he/she resigns... See where this is going?



That's not a particularly Tory Party thing though. In the mid-70s, Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson resigned, and Jim Callaghan took over, without ever having faced a general election. Same thing happened in 2007 when Gordon Brown replaced Blair.


Exactly.
As you say, the Labour party did this in the mid 70s. Then again in 2007. There was a gap of 30 years between them where normal service was resumed.

The Tory party did this in 2016, 2019 and now 2022. There was no gap between them. I expect the PM who takes over from Johnson to do the same as the preceding PMs, perhaps in 2024. Then again in perhaps 2027? A continuous run, over and over again, of Tory PMs taking over from the last one with no General Election between them for the voting public to have their say...


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10 Jul 2022, 8:39 am

Braverman sets out her position as being the candidate for the hard right of the party by confirming she will take the UK out of the convention on human rights.

Tbh I find it pretty horrifying that a serious western wanna leader can say that kind of thing. Kind of sums up the depths our politics has sunk to I guess.

Not sure she could do it anyway tbh. She would have absolutely no mandate for doing such a huge thing and there would be a lot of outrage over it. And then there are the complications for Northern Ireland over it



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10 Jul 2022, 8:42 am

Yeah that just goes to show what seems to be acceptable within the party.

To say it is worrying is an understatement.


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