Colorado schools to promote communism! Developing story

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Spot on, every point!

Should we also teach him how to make colour gradients? I ask only for the sake of completeness.

It produces suboptimal outcomes compared to capitalism when it comes to poverty reduction, economic development, etc.

It also seems to require a high degree of repression in order to be maintained, leading to unnecessary human suffering.

Compare Taiwan to China, South Korea to North Korea, or old West Germany to East Germany. You could also try comparing Botswana to Zimbabwe, Costa Rica to Nicaragua, or Colombia to Venezuela.

OR, the capitalistic hegemony keeps it this way, because "it" knows its survival is dependent on suppressing socialism/communism at all costs, at each and every instance of it. Then taking those "failures" and "repression" found in those projects and blaming them on socialism/communism. Because of course they do. There is no other option.

Consider you have been lied to, and that you now believe those lies perpetuated by capital.

Consider under capitalism, especially under the regime of the great champion of capital, the USA, there is rampant poverty and strife. There is incredible environmental destruction, and systems in place which contribute continuously to this destruction. Its entire working class is effectively enslaved, and used to enrich a tiny class of "ghouls" who do nothing in their collective power to remedy the situations it creates. These "suboptimal outcomes" are also "outsourced" across the Planet, in all the places/"regimes"/Peoples it has been able to infiltrate and destroy.

Provide some compelling evidence to support your position.

How does capitalism force communists to do evil things? Did capitalism force Mao to persecute intellectuals? Did capitalism force Stalin to send political dissidents to gulags? No, they did those things because they were scared of opposing views. Communist regimes do not tolerate dissent and disagreement. If they did, then they wouldn't remain communist for very long.

In the West, communists are free to spread their anti-capitalist views. We don't send people to prison for being communist. Anyone who would like a Western country to become communist simply needs to convince enough people, and then win an election. But when communism has to compete with other viewpoints, it loses. Most people, given the choice, reject communism. There is no "capitalist plot". There is no need for one. In a free and fair discussion, communism loses.

Not all capitalists are stupid. The vast majority of economists are capitalists. Not all communists are stupid, either, of course. People don't disagree with each other purely because they have been brainwashed. Reasonable people examine the evidence in front of them and come to their own conclusions; most finds the argument for capitalism to be more compelling.


Poverty and strife are the default state of life. Every wild animal lives in poverty and strife. However, there is much less poverty and strife in the modern day than at any time in human history, at least proportionately. As recently as the 1960s, one in four Americans lived in poverty. Today it is less than one in eight. The US has experienced a huge reduction in relative poverty, while also experiencing a huge rise in the poverty line as standards of living have improved. Of course it needs to continue to go down, especially for those who are living in deep poverty, but generally poverty reduces more quickly when countries adopt pro-market positions.

Environmental destruction is not related to capitalism, but by humanity's need for resources. There is plenty of environmental destruction in China, for example, which has much worse air quality standards than the US and has driven many native species to extinction in the last few decades - it's also basically the only place in the world still building coal plants. The USSR's laundry list of crimes against the environment does not need repeating. Generally speaking it seems capitalist countries pay more attention to the environment than communist countries.While the West has been cutting its carbon emissions since the 1990s, China's continue to grow.

The working class is not enslaved.

@ mrpieceofwork: It seems safe to assume that the only things you think you know about Communism come from propaganda pieces and liberal-arts textbooks.

Try interviewing refugee-survivors of such Communist regimes as the former Soviet Union, North Korea, Mainland China, Cuba, and Vietnam.  I have done exactly that many times in the last 40 years, and they all tell similar stories of oppression, abject poverty, food shortages and rationing, neighbors spying on neighbors, family members denouncing each other, midnight arrests, and dissidents being sent to mental hospitals for "treatments" that were actually horrendous medical experiments that left people maimed, crippled, and dead.

And here you are, asking what is wrong with Communism.  Obviously, you either do not know or you do not want to know.  So just in case you missed it before,  Here is the link  to a post on this very website that describes just about everything WRONG with Communism.  You may find it enlightening, as others have already.

Do yourself a favor and pull your nose out of that hole in the ground and get a REAL education on REAL Communism -- not that fantasy crap you have been repeating.

Meanwhile, here is what they are promoting in Florida schools:

https://news.yahoo.com/florida-schools- ... _test=0_00

According to trump the USA is currently a communist/marxist country under Biden's administration:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5074104/ ... st-country

Probably best to teach the kids all about the current system of government!

The problem is that people still hold on to Cold War hysteria and paranoia over 30 years after it ended.

A bigger problem is that people don't seem to know the meaning of words like "communism," "marxist," or "fascist," which enables people like trumplestiltskin to troll morons by using any of those words, and others, to describe anyone or anything he doesn't like and the morons cheer/boo as they feel is appropriate.

Obviously the USA is not a communist country and it's pretty ironic for trump of all people to label others fascists as an insult considering the style of rule he's been attempting.

How can we convince them that 1950s societal values are not compatible with today's, and to get with the program?

Knowledge. Communication.

If vast swaths of the USA are cut off from high speed internet and modern coastal city living, they need access to current info to even have half a chance of understanding the progress that’s been made over the last 75 years.. might have to start with broadband/starlink for everyone.

Fat chance people rapidly get up to speed. Probably always going to be turmoil between the informed and educated and those that have been left behind.

I can see it now, some old farmer leaning against a fencepost and saying something like . . .

Them interwebz is full up with gayfolk, atheists, commies, librulls, and men dressin’ up as wimmins. Cain’t have none o’that ‘round these here parts!