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28 Jul 2023, 2:46 pm

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Capitalism is not without its flaws; but Communism sucks all over.

The thing I don't like about the flaws of capitalism is that nobody is allowed to fix them no matter how bad they get. Anyone who tries gets called a commie.

Why fix them when you can adapt to them and exploit them?

Why try to make things better for everyone when you can just make things better for yourself at other's expense?

Because behaving that way says something about the sort of person one is. f**k y'all, I got mine is a sh***y motto to live by.

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30 Jul 2023, 1:04 pm

You focus on the state, not on capitalism. Anarchocommunists prioritize the elimination of the state. Marxist communists prioritize the elimination of capitalism and see a temporary function for the state. Therefore, your posting is anarchist, not Marxist.

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30 Jul 2023, 3:01 pm

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Capitalism doesn't care about fairness. Capitalism is how can I enrich myself by maximizing profits. Capitalism is "successful" because a lot of humans, deep down inside, are sh***y people.

There are a lot of sh***y capitalist who want to exploit everyone they can for profit but there are also a lot of sh***y bums who have zero luck in a capitalist society but still want to exploit everyone they can while contributing nothing.

We all hear about lottery winners being hounded for money and often having to go into hiding to various degrees because of the latter types of people.

Also, there seemed to be a higher proportion of sh***y communists rather than sh***y capitalists on a per head basis in their respective nations. At least being an exploitative millionaire limits the number of exploiters by nature of having to be a millionaire to really become a nuisance.

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30 Jul 2023, 8:35 pm

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AFAIK, Anarcho-Syndicalism prioritizes elimination of the State, elimination of currency, and elimination of personal property; all leading to a society that does what needs to be done when and where necessary.

The clearest depiction of Anarcho-Syndicalism I have seen is in Ursula K. LeGuin's "The Dispossessed".

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31 Jul 2023, 9:41 am

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Didn't realise there was that many forms of communism but obviously, having no government is a serious problem. Firstly being born stateless means you can't travel and have very little, if any human rights. Land belonging to nobody can also be invaded and exploited by any state that desires new land and with no currency, trade becomes very difficult and food security almost impossible.

It's practically like going back to the stone age only a lot worse.

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31 Jul 2023, 7:29 pm

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The personal property one is, in particular, a significant difference. As a Marxist communist, I like my personal property (my condo, my car, etc.). Because I have personal property does not make me a capitalist. I oppose private property which is another word for capitalism.

The elimination of currency is a debatable issue among Marxists. Marx himself never mentioned it. The elimination of the state is viewed as a long-term objective, not an immediate objective. There are however autonomist Marxists and open Marxists who would agree with the anarchist view.

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31 Jul 2023, 7:31 pm

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Didn't realise there was that many forms of communism ....

There are hundreds of communist proposals (no exaggeration).

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01 Aug 2023, 2:42 am

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Didn't realise there was that many forms of communism ....

There are hundreds of communist proposals (no exaggeration).

It'll be hard to describe anarchy as anything other than anarchy though.

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01 Aug 2023, 3:18 am

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Didn't realise there was that many forms of communism ....

There are hundreds of communist proposals (no exaggeration).

And each is considered "Not True Communism" by all the others.

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01 Aug 2023, 3:39 am

nominalist wrote:

Nades wrote:

Didn't realise there was that many forms of communism ....

There are hundreds of communist proposals (no exaggeration).

Hi.Could a group of Christians or other religious people that live in the same house and hold all property in common be classified as a form of communism.I thought somewhere in the Communist Manifesto Marx talked about how the early Christians shared all their property in Acts.I just dont know if a Christian commune counts as a form of communism.Thanks.I know many people would not classify Christian communes and apostolic socialism as true communism.

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01 Aug 2023, 3:47 am

The Christians still used currency and were governed -- not true Communism.

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01 Aug 2023, 3:49 am

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The Christians still used currency and were governed -- not true Communism.

Yeah I'm not sure about how this anarchy type communism can even exist. How can there be communism with no government to enforce it?

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01 Aug 2023, 3:59 am

Nades wrote:

Fnord wrote:

The Christians still used currency and were governed -- not true Communism.

Yeah I'm not sure about how this anarchy type communism can even exist. How can there be communism with no government to enforce it?

No government, no enforcement. If your neighbor is a hoarder, you raid his home. If your other neighbor doesn't work, you let him starve. Get the picture? The "Common Good" is all that matters, and those who serve only themselves suffer for it.

Of course, when everyone is equally poor, there is more than enough suffering to go around.

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01 Aug 2023, 6:30 am

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It'll be hard to describe anarchy as anything other than anarchy though.

Visit The Anarchist Library. You will also find hundreds of anarchist proposals; and that site excludes many right-wing versions.

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01 Aug 2023, 6:34 am

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And each is considered "Not True Communism" by all the others.

There are some dogmatists to be sure, but not every communist (me, for instance) is a dogmatist. I am open to all sorts of versions of communism. The more communist proposals, the better.

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01 Aug 2023, 7:35 am

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Of course, when everyone is equally poor, there is more than enough suffering to go around.

Communism was conceived by Marx and Engels as a path to universal prosperity, not poverty. It is capitalism which produces poverty.

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