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26 Aug 2023, 10:07 am

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Recently some members have been using a typically NT form of communication. This is unfortunate as WP should be a safe place for EVERYONE with autism, even some who might be perceived as "creepy" or "weirdos" in day-to-day life. A couple of long term members have been driven off as a consequence.


FleaOfTheChill left in part because of transphobia on the site. That was a huge loss for us. I hope they will be back.

I can't think of anyone else who was "driven away" because of WP not being safe.

The only others I can think of who left were banned, like the person yesterday who attacked a mod.

Let me explain. People on the spectrum, especially those with poor Theory of Mind, have difficulty with communication because they either overestimate or underestimate how familiar the person with whom they are communicating is with the context of their remarks. OTOH they generally say what they mean, even if their audience misinterprets that, but nevertheless they are sincere. Granted there are some who may have malicious intent and certainly some of those have shown up on this site, however let's assume those are very much in the minority. So it's reasonable to take what a person on an autism forum says at face value. If you don't understand what they said, or it comes across as an intentionally snide remark, then I think the proper thing to do is ask what they meant and maybe explain why you reacted as you did.

NTs, on the other hand, tend to "read between the lines" and deduce what the commenter meant by what they said, which isn't necessarily what the person actually said. So lately some people have take things I've said and reacted to them in terms of what they assume I was trying to infer, imply, insinuate, whatever whereas I never said what they insist I was saying. To me, this makes the site feel less safe as a space where I can speak freely. In addition, although I don't think this applies to me necessarily, autistics, especially straight men, often come across as "creepy" or "weird" by simply being themselves. Again, some may be actual creeps or "weirdos" (whatever that means) but I think we can assume that most aren't. So within reason, those people should have the freedom to be themselves on this site, unless they've given good cause (by deed as well as by word) that they deserve to be disciplined or banned.

And yes some have left, including a couple of women who had been participants for quite some time.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:11 am

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They don't teach real world skills, they only teach student to take standardized tests. Once you pass, they're done with you.
The school system isn’t perfect, but it’s not that bad.

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And most students who do go to college don't make it pass the first year, because they have not been adequately prepared for higher education.
^ Not true.
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Roughly 25% of first-year college students don't return for their second year to any school and about 35% don't return to the same school, according to the NSCRC.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-c ... he%20NSCRC.

I’m just seeing a lot of generalizations, exaggerations, and misinformation in this thread.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:16 am

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And yes some have left, including a couple of women who had been participants for quite some time.
They were probably banned. Several, including a couple of women, were banned recently.

You could express your concerns to a mod if you think specific members have been driven off or that people are breaking the rules in some way.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:22 am

^

and those women requested to be banned, so I hope no one will be casting shade on other members for causing it.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:22 am

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And yes some have left, including a couple of women who had been participants for quite some time.
They were probably banned. Several, including a couple of women, were banned recently.

You could express your concerns to a mod if you think specific members have been driven off or that people are breaking the rules in some way.

I wouldn't know who those are (the women) except I am aware that one was self-banned which really isn't the same thing.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:24 am

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and those women requested to be banned, so I hope no one will be casting shade on other members for causing it.

Certain members did not like receiving pushback for homophobic/transphobic remarks even though they may claim victimhood.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:25 am

It is the same thing if they spread misinformation about WP and our members, or become belligerent to admin afterward.

That leads to being permabanned, which lo and behold it did.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:26 am

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And yes some have left, including a couple of women who had been participants for quite some time.
They were probably banned. Several, including a couple of women, were banned recently.

You could express your concerns to a mod if you think specific members have been driven off or that people are breaking the rules in some way.

I wouldn't know who those are (the women) except I am aware that one was self-banned which really isn't the same thing.
Then why are you blaming current members when you aren’t fully aware of the situation? :scratch:


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26 Aug 2023, 10:27 am

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and those women requested to be banned, so I hope no one will be casting shade on other members for causing it.

Certain members did not like receiving pushback for homophobic/transphobic remarks even though they may claim victimhood.


or racism ^
or the site rules in general


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26 Aug 2023, 10:28 am

^ Good point.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:32 am

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In addition, although I don't think this applies to me necessarily, autistics, especially straight men, often come across as "creepy" or "weird" by simply being themselves. Again, some may be actual creeps or "weirdos" (whatever that means) but I think we can assume that most aren't.


I don’t know what you’re talking about here. 8O

Obviously, the vast majority of people here aren’t “creeps” or “weirdos.” It’s possible that there are some I’m unaware of. People don’t need a diagnosis to use this forum and people on the spectrum aren’t always good, either. In any case, the only people I’ve referenced in those terms were groomers/perverts. If people are using those words towards current or named, previous members, they need to be reported because it’s against the rules.

Let’s get back on topic.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:37 am

^

Maybe he’s referring to lostonearth35, a long time member who quit because of misogyny. Maybe it’s about Flea who temp quit because of rampant transphobia, or Babybird who’s on another break because of trauma from abuse.

One person blamed me for causing the only problems on WP since they joined over ten years ago (lol) — because apparently I write pornography on the site while also being a prude.

Was it them or did you miss that by not staying up overnight?

If I write about sex it’s usually in response to your questions Max, so maybe you’re a pornographer and you ruined the site too. (Jokes)

I still can’t think of anyone else who was driven away against their will.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:39 am

If people have concerns, they should probably talk to a mod about it rather than derail threads and make accusations and/or personal attacks. There’s a good chance that they don’t know the full story or have only heard one side of it.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:41 am

I’m still here.
Many more good people on this site than bad.


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26 Aug 2023, 10:43 am

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I’m still here.
Many more good people on this site than bad.

I couldn’t agree more.


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26 Aug 2023, 2:15 pm

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*Admits I don't know who Carl Sagan is either*

I keep picturing the dude from American's Funniest Home Videos.

I know he's an astronomer, but that's about it.


Sagan was the host of the original "Cosmos" TV series in the Seventies. A scientist who was also a science popularizer. Tyson hosted the revived "Cosmos" in the 2000s, and then became the equivalent public figure of today.


*Never heard of Cosmos*

I'm starting to feel like a freak of nature.

Well... I had no idea what a "chat GPT" is ...until I heard Chris Christie accuse whathisname of "sounding like" one, and had to look it up on Wiki. Still dont quite get it. I think that its one more scary AI thing...an app that generates robotic conversation.

Were all "ignorant about SOME thing" as Will Rogers said. Which kinda goes to the theme of this thread.