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11 Jan 2024, 8:08 am

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So you're lonely and you want the state to issue you a wife?


Careful. You don't get a wife instantly. You have to complete the requirements that the MAROF sets for you regarding your relationship with your partner. At least five years of being in a relationship would be considered enough for a marriage since marriages usually take place after a certain amount of years pass within a relationship. You can still hug and kiss your partner if you want to and you can still help one another. It is all to maintain productivity and be content with life under socialism.


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11 Jan 2024, 4:19 pm

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So you're lonely and you want the state to issue you a wife?


Careful. You don't get a wife instantly. You have to complete the requirements that the MAROF sets for you regarding your relationship with your partner. At least five years of being in a relationship would be considered enough for a marriage since marriages usually take place after a certain amount of years pass within a relationship. You can still hug and kiss your partner if you want to and you can still help one another. It is all to maintain productivity and be content with life under socialism.


Why shouldn't people simply have to complete the requirements of what their partner sets of them? Relationships are very personal. Why should the criteria be dictated by any government entity? People are more complex than that. Everyone has different requirements of their partners.

Why should a relationship be required to last at least 5 years before marriage? What if people want to get married in 5 weeks or 5 months? These things happen in real life. Fabricated timelines seem forced - not something created out of love for one another.

"You can still hug and kiss your partner and you can still help one another," = are you suggesting that the government is going to tell people they can't have sex with their partner (or others) unless they're married? That's just completely batshit crazy. If people want to have sex within moments of meeting, then they should be free to do so. If they want to have sex regularly throughout a monogamous relationship, they should Also be free to do so. If they want to have an open relationship and hookup with other people or have threesomes and orgies, that should Also be their choice. If neither is interested in sex and want a romantic a-sexual relationship and marriage, that should Also be up to them to choose if it's right for them.

"All to maintain productivity," blah blah sounds like all of this is a business/economical relationship intended to serve the tax collector, not peoples' hearts & desires. For these reasons, any sane people living under these conditions will flee such a country and opt to go live a free life somewhere/anywhere else.

WAY too many flaws in this "system," for it to be successful. People are HUMAN and won't accept such a thing as having their personal, relationship, and sex lives dictated to them by a bunch of government weenies who's sole interest is ensuring the tax paying base perpetuates. People have emotions and attractions, desires, and feeling of love. This system ignores all human aspects of dating and relationships and attempts to replace them with something that seems like it was lifted out of a Sims video game or something. Completely a non-starter -> it will not work.


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11 Jan 2024, 4:23 pm

I don't think the state should be involved with romantic relationships at all, outside of recognizing marriages.


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11 Jan 2024, 4:27 pm

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I don't think the state should be involved with romantic relationships at all, outside of recognizing marriages.

Even that is a manipulative $$ incentive to shack up and procreate and pump out more little taxpayers.


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11 Jan 2024, 4:28 pm

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I don't think the state should be involved with romantic relationships at all, outside of recognizing marriages.

Even that is a manipulative $$ incentive to shack up and procreate and pump out more little taxpayers.


Which the state has an interest in.


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11 Jan 2024, 4:30 pm

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I don't think the state should be involved with romantic relationships at all, outside of recognizing marriages.

Even that is a manipulative $$ incentive to shack up and procreate and pump out more little taxpayers.


Which the state has an interest in.

Obviously why they would incentivize it.

Just saying. This is the reason marriages are recognized, not because some government agency wants to acknowledge your love for each other or any other reason.


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11 Jan 2024, 4:31 pm

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I don't think the state should be involved with romantic relationships at all, outside of recognizing marriages.

Even that is a manipulative $$ incentive to shack up and procreate and pump out more little taxpayers.


Which the state has an interest in.

Obviously why they would incentivize it.

Just saying. This is the reason marriages are recognized, not because some government agency wants to acknowledge your love for each other or any other reason.


I agree that's why, I'm just saying it's a perfectly valid motive for the state to involve itself.


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24 Jan 2024, 12:51 am

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"You can still hug and kiss your partner and you can still help one another," = are you suggesting that the government is going to tell people they can't have sex with their partner (or others) unless they're married?


Never said that. You can have sex as long as you are an adult and not underaged. Any underaged sex will be penalized and the perpetrators will be punished with a lifetime solitary confinement or the death penalty!


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24 Jan 2024, 12:54 am

Also here is useful information regarding the MAROF system! :3

MAROF - Solving Loneliness
https://smallpdf.com/file#s=ebf773e5-0c34-4c69-8f7b-385fb828030e

The Principle of MAROF
https://smallpdf.com/file#s=8de8be4e-65de-4fd6-b9c4-cf05ae41c021


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24 Jan 2024, 12:54 am

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Any underaged sex will be penalized and the perpetrators will be punished with a lifetime solitary confinement or the death penalty!


Why?

The point of an AoC isn't to punish kids for having sex with other kids, it's to keep adults from preying on sexually active kids.

It's vile to try to use AoC as a means by which to punish minors who've had more physical intimacy than you.


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24 Jan 2024, 12:56 am

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I don't think the state should be involved with romantic relationships at all, outside of recognizing marriages.


Why do you subjectively want the state to only rely on that? What if relationships go wrong before marriage and there is no help nearby? Where the hell are the partners and friends supposed to go if the police isn't subsidized enough by the state to enforce law and order on human relationships?


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24 Jan 2024, 1:00 am

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"All to maintain productivity," blah blah sounds like all of this is a business/economical relationship intended to serve the tax collector, not peoples' hearts & desires. For these reasons, any sane people living under these conditions will flee such a country and opt to go live a free life somewhere/anywhere else.


Workers work eight hours a day and the rest of the day should be spent building bondage time with their friends and partners. You assume that the state only ensures such for only that? I assure you that it will benefit in the long-term because the state will not just do that but will also encourage people to keep up healthy relationships and friendships. Overall the system runs as a meritocracy under socialism which rewards fairly.


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24 Jan 2024, 1:01 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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I don't think the state should be involved with romantic relationships at all, outside of recognizing marriages.


Why do you subjectively want the state to only rely on that? What if relationships go wrong before marriage and there is no help nearby? Where the hell are the partners and friends supposed to go if the police isn't subsidized enough by the state to enforce law and order on human relationships?


You don't need the police to have any specific focus on 'enforcing law and order on human relationships'.

If there's been a criminal action (like violence) police are already tasked with dealing with assaults. The fact that it occurred between people who are romantically involved is mostly irrelevant, only that an assault (or whatever criminal act) occurred.


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24 Jan 2024, 1:03 am

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Any underaged sex will be penalized and the perpetrators will be punished with a lifetime solitary confinement or the death penalty!


Why?

The point of an AoC isn't to punish kids for having sex with other kids, it's to keep adults from preying on sexually active kids.

It's vile to try to use AoC as a means by which to punish minors who've had more physical intimacy than you.


The body of an underaged person is not just only underdeveloped but such legal action is necessary to stop chaos. Minors may face lesser punishments than the adults but they will be fair enough to satisfy the wide audience of people who heavily detest the idea of underaged sex.

No underaged person should have sex and no adult should prey on underaged people. Therefore, it is safe to say that MAROF has a more strict setting against predators and juveniles who commit such action.


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24 Jan 2024, 1:05 am

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I don't think the state should be involved with romantic relationships at all, outside of recognizing marriages.


Why do you subjectively want the state to only rely on that? What if relationships go wrong before marriage and there is no help nearby? Where the hell are the partners and friends supposed to go if the police isn't subsidized enough by the state to enforce law and order on human relationships?


You don't need the police to have any specific focus on 'enforcing law and order on human relationships'.

If there's been a criminal action (like violence) police are already tasked with dealing with assaults. The fact that it occurred between people who are romantically involved is mostly irrelevant, only that an assault (or whatever criminal act) occurred.


The normal law enforcement police should do its job as any other police force. The forestallers are a specific law enforcement of the MAROF which helps ensure that order and harmony takes place among human relationships and that if anything goes bad, they will intervene without hesitation.


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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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Any underaged sex will be penalized and the perpetrators will be punished with a lifetime solitary confinement or the death penalty!


Why?

The point of an AoC isn't to punish kids for having sex with other kids, it's to keep adults from preying on sexually active kids.

It's vile to try to use AoC as a means by which to punish minors who've had more physical intimacy than you.


The body of an underaged person is not just only underdeveloped but such legal action is necessary to stop chaos. Minors may face lesser punishments than the adults but they will be fair enough to satisfy the wide audience of people who heavily detest the idea of underaged sex.

No underaged person should have sex and no adult should prey on underaged people. Therefore, it is safe to say that MAROF has a more strict setting against predators and juveniles who commit such action.


So, why exactly should the state punish children who engage in sexual behaviour (aka engage in normal and healthy behaviours)?


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