if you believe in God...then please post why?

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You should have just said that earlier, instead of making rather baseless accusations.

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Anyways, I stand by my belief that there is no God. Omnipotence yields quite a few paradoxes and contradictions, it doesn't really answer any questions since "He works in mysterious ways", it has no predictive power, it can't be observed, experimented on, or verified in any possible way, there are differing opinions about the nature of God, and quite frankly you can come up to any conclusion you want simply because an omnipotent being can't be brought down to srutiny in any meaningful way.

Plus, the universe behaves as if there is no God, so why introduce unnecessary variables.

I assumed I was clear.

I said God is there AND has always existed

But I do not and did not say that God is there BECAUSE He has always existed.

When I said I believed in God I gave my personal observations and reasoning.
When I proposed that God has always existed, I offered it as a viable theory for your own enquiry. Because it matters whether God exists or not, but all the rest is intellectual sparring and no use to anyone even if they could work it out.

It does not matter to me if you think God exists. I see no way of proving it either way and it is very important to me that I can discover how the universe works. So far, people I trust have investigated the universe and it seems to respond to the laws they have discovered.If a God exists that can cause things to happen that are not comprehensible, that destroys all of known science and humanity is totally in the dark. That is not something I find desirable.

The concept of God is well within the bounds of logic and reason, and so is the concept that God would not be bound by the laws of nature which He Himself brought into being.

I know, I don't expect it to.



I think you do actually, it just doesn't interest you to try.



This is actually a thread about belief in God. But it does surprise me that you find the mechanics of the universe more important.



Well, yes, in theory God could make the world disobey the laws of nature, but doesn't; He makes it uphold those laws, and leaves them in place for our trusty scientists to discover. Incomprehensible things....I'm sorry, now I look at that sentence closer I don't think I understand: how exactly can God's existence cause incomprehensible things to happen and the destruction of science? And what do you mean desirable? Do you only believe in what suits you and makes you comfortable, or do you accept the proven truth however unpalatable?

Unless there is a definition of God that I am not aware of, I don't see how an omnipotent being can be within the bounds of logic, or any bounds for that matter. At least, I don't see a way that you can apply logic to Him. Also, there are paradoxes regarding omnipotence (e.g. the heavy stone scenario) that really can't be resolved.


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But science cannot be used to determine God's existence! In fact, it really cannot be used for anything other then the study of the physical universe. It has no say whatsoever about religious or theist claims.

Second, why does something has to be comprehensible to be correct. Science, for example, is anything but intuitive and at the higher levels not very comprehensible. Try studying quantum theory some time, that's something that involves concepts that are totally unrelated to everyday life.

And if I remember correctly, many great contributions to science came directly from religious scholars and monks (The Big Bang theory, for example, was first proposed by a Vatican bishop), so your claim about belief in God leads to "destroying science and humanity" is quite unfounded and just plain wrong. How ironic it is that many of the people you trust are the same people who *gasp* believe in God!

Whatever the source of scientific theory, if a God that has unbounded powers exists and exerts those powers then all scientific laws become null and void as those Godly actions make the universe totally undecipherable. That is just obvious logic and basic good sense. If God does not exert those powers then He might as well not exist and He can be ignored.

I beleive in A God


(I am serious...I am a Wiccan and...well thats one of the Wiccan Gods)
why-because the whole concept of them speak to me-they aren't all high and mighty they are like friends from another world and that brings me a feeling of having faith-they don't claim to be all powerful and lord over me...
And don't say I will burn in a pit of fire if I don't praise they're name