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26 Dec 2007, 9:23 pm

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nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

That doesn't sound right.


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26 Dec 2007, 10:15 pm

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Ron Paul, for all his good points, advocates replacing the income tax with a consumption tax. This would be (another) boon for the weralthiest Americans, who spend a much smaller portion of their income than the poor. This is nothing but an attempt to reverse the tax tables, so that the poorer you are the higher the tax percentage you must pay. Typical pro-wealthy Republican!

Strictly speaking, Paul doesn't want to replace the income tax with anything- he just wants to get rid of it. Which helps everyone, rich or poor.


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27 Dec 2007, 12:33 am

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I bet that either it was a biased study, the penalties are minor, or the laws aren't enforced. If the penalty is severe and enforced, then certainly someone would be deterred.

I see you are not familiar with the history of communist Romania. Abortions were illegal, and every woman recieved a monthly checkup to ensure she did not recieve an abortion. The abortion rate actually increased during the time of the ban, and over 10,000 women died as a result of botched abortions. The moral of the story is, its impossible to force someone to take care of another creature against their will. If someone needs a kidney to live and you're the only available donor, you have a right to refuse to give up the kidney. The fetus does not have a right to steal nutrients from the mother, and the parent has the right to refuse to carry around the fetus. One last example: if someone breaks into your house and needs to stay there to live, you can still kick them out.



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27 Dec 2007, 12:50 am

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I bet that either it was a biased study, the penalties are minor, or the laws aren't enforced. If the penalty is severe and enforced, then certainly someone would be deterred.

I see you are not familiar with the history of communist Romania. Abortions were illegal, and every woman recieved a monthly checkup to ensure she did not recieve an abortion. The abortion rate actually increased during the time of the ban, and over 10,000 women died as a result of botched abortions. The moral of the story is, its impossible to force someone to take care of another creature against their will. If someone needs a kidney to live and you're the only available donor, you have a right to refuse to give up the kidney. The fetus does not have a right to steal nutrients from the mother, and the parent has the right to refuse to carry around the fetus. One last example: if someone breaks into your house and needs to stay there to live, you can still kick them out.

In the two examples you cite to support your view, the individual requiring aid has no connection to the person who would be giving the aid, whereas in the case of a pregnant woman she was directly involved in the creation of this individual (and hence their need for help).


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27 Dec 2007, 1:14 am

everyone keep spreading the message, we need to have Ron Paul as our president.



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28 Dec 2007, 1:09 am

I keep seeing more Ron Paul signs. I wish I owned land so I could put up one.



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29 Dec 2007, 2:00 am

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I keep seeing more Ron Paul signs. I wish I owned land so I could put up one.


you dont need too!
public land is perfect to put up signs.
empty fields.
anywhere you can imagine.



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29 Dec 2007, 4:22 am

That's the spirit.


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29 Dec 2007, 10:17 am

Fun fact: He has ties to white-power groups.



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29 Dec 2007, 1:16 pm

Please, Americans, just vote for him!!

He's the only one with the right idea. I don't necessarily agree with him on the abortion thing, but you have to look at the bigger picture with regards these things - nobody can be entirely perfect. Overall, he is by far the best candidate and the only one willing to stand up and fight the system and change things, go back to the constitution etc. There really isn't much other option.


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29 Dec 2007, 2:34 pm

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Fun fact: He has ties to white-power groups.


Just because he accepted funds from them doesn't mean he supports their cause. I'm sure he'll take donations from anyone, money supports his campaigne does it not? That doesn't mean he's gonna spend the money on white power objectives.



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29 Dec 2007, 5:29 pm

He accepts funds from all kinds of people. There are so many different kinds of people that show up to support him. Old, young, all races. The reporter on pbs couldn't find a thing wrong with him to attack him personally so she decided to target supporters she found detestable.

He gets alot of donations online too. Sorry you believed the reporter Delerium. I don't think you have researched Ron Paul and where he stands so for future reference

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/


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29 Dec 2007, 7:48 pm

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public land is perfect to put up signs.
empty fields.
anywhere you can imagine


Is that legal? Would I need to get permission from the owner?



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02 Jan 2008, 3:13 pm

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Delirium wrote:
Fun fact: He has ties to white-power groups.


Just because he accepted funds from them doesn't mean he supports their cause. I'm sure he'll take donations from anyone, money supports his campaigne does it not? That doesn't mean he's gonna spend the money on white power objectives.


He said that the donators "had wasted their money if they were trying to influence policy".

However.

I don't think that Ron Paul has the most realistic and fair ideals.

The US constitution was written a long time ago, and not all US laws are constitutional.

Ron Paul's policies would benefit corporations because of the low taxes, although his federal reserve policies might be a reason why he has not gained much support.

In reality, he is almost Libertarian. He proposes massive budget cuts, a policy of non-intervention, and very minimal taxes. A revision of the tax system would be more suitable, as well as a revision of government operations.
I don't like the implications of Libertarianism, and it is like implicating one evil to replace the other. The USA would be better off with a Democrat leader, so long as it isn't Hilary Clinton or someone who proposes radical green taxes and unwanted intrusion on peoples' personal lives and rights. PC-Nazis, no thanks.

Even though I'm British, I feel the need to comment.


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02 Jan 2008, 3:52 pm

Hilary would be the worst thing ever. Apart from Bush. Same admin though so what's the difference...


Anyway.

I wouldn't say he hasn't gained support - he's broken records for the amount of funds raised in a single day twice now, and none of that was organised in any way by him!!

$4.2million raised in one day, followed by $6million a month later isn't a lack of support..! !


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02 Jan 2008, 3:56 pm

Fox has excluded Ron Paul from their debates in Iowa claiming there weren't enough seats on the bus. Even though Ron Paul has raised the most in donations in the 4th quarter, Fox has decided to exclude Ron Paul.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071228/20071228005378.html


Ron Paul will be on Larry King tonight. 9pm ET and 6pm PT

Tune in.


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