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LiendaBalla
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14 Apr 2008, 7:59 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
I am a Lutheran, and that actually *fueled* my progressivism and liberalism.


:?: :?: :?: What did?



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15 Apr 2008, 6:49 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I'm Catholic, a convert. Was originally a Pentecostal. Jesus is still my Lord and Savior.


If Jesus is still your Lord and Saviour, then you are saved by faith. What lead you to approve of Catholicism as better than Protestantism though?

I personally cringe when I hear, "Holy Mary, Mother of God" I know she was the physical bearer of Christ who is both God and man, but giving her that title is, as far as I'm concerned, blasphemous. She is, in a sense, mother of God because she gave physical birth to the Son. However, she did NOT give birth to God the Father or God the Holy Spirit, so the title "Mother of God" is not completely valid and I think it shouldn't be used.


Mary is, indeed, mother of God in exactly that sense that she gave physical birth to the Son, who is both God and man. She isn't mother of God in any other sense. The Catholics (or other Christians) have never claimed that.
Neither has anyone claimed that she should be the mother of God the Father or God the Holy Spirit. "Mother of God" doesn't mean "mother of all the Trinity", but just mother of the man who was also God. Although she wasn't the origin of his divine nature, but only of his human nature.
Anyway, she was the mother of a person, not just of a "nature", like a mother always is mother of the whole person / child, though she is only the origin of half of the genes. She wouldn't say she's just mother of half of the child, or mother of the parts that are like herself.
The title "mother of God" was crucial in the discussion about Christ and his being one person of two natures (the Nestorian controversy) and had the purpose to tell something about Jesus, not about Mary as such.
I wrote a paper on that discussion a couple of years ago.
(BTW, I am not a Catholic, but Lutheran.)



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01 May 2008, 5:08 pm

All this talk about Mary being the Mother of the God that "impreganated" her all sounds a bit too much to me like the Sun god Nimrod/Tammuz who killed his own Father and married his Mother becoming his own Father, his birthday was on December 25th as well.

Heres a nice picture of a Catholic statue of the Madonna and child, goodness, doesnt he bear an uncanny resemblance to the sun!


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Personally, though many of the Jews rejected the fullfillment of thier religion which was the Christ, I think they know a lot more about the nature of God who described said nature to Moses, and they certainly where not expecting the Messiah to be God himself!



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03 May 2008, 3:31 pm

It's rather a question about who Jesus is than who Mary is.

It hasn't anything to do with Tammuz, or sun god worshipping.

Cyril of Alexandria and the others who used the title Mother of God weren't sun worshippers at all.