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I respect Japans ethno-centrism. I believe every race or culture has the right to refuse the pollution of its gene pool. I believe that everyone (even Anglos) deserve the right to be proud of who or what they are, and even fight when necessary to preserve it.

Israel enjoys breaking international law.

To be fair, most countries do. Otherwise there wouldn't be much of a reason to have international law in the first place.

One mo' time---and sing it with feelin'! !

What the Germans did to the Jews
might be really photogenic
in an oh-my-god-how-tragic-was-that wa-ay-ay
but every nation in this great world
has done something they're not proud of
in every single country mass murder will have its day

What are the requirements to be a country?

coun-try (kuntre)n.pl. coun-tries. 1. A nation or state. The territory of a nation or state; land. The people of a nation or state; populace:

na-tion (nashn)n. 1. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country. 2. The government of a sovereign state. 3. A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language; a nationality: "Historically the Ukrainians are an ancient nation which has persisted and survived through terrible calamity" (Robert Conquest). 4. A federation or tribe, especially one composed of Native Americans. The territory occupied by such a federation or tribe.

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Excerpted from American Heritage Talking Dictionary
Copyright © 1997 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

So, if countries are nations or states, and a nation is a relatively large group of people organized under a single, independent government, or a people who share common customs, origins, history and frequently language. Then, what if I got my hypothetical family together, we started a temporary secession from the US, organized under a single government, never committed any genocides and dissolved ourselves the next day. Would we then have succeeded as a nation/country without a day of mass-murder? Just curious as I want to find a way to easily prove the song wrong.

I cannot say Australia is free of that.

here's a controversial side that i really haven't seen much support for but maybe there would be someone who has more information on this take?


the zionists assisted in rounding up jews in german occupied territories.


anyone hear anything like that? i've heard it before but i've yet to see any really solid fact on it.

Jewish officials in the occupied territories have a terrible reputation for making deals with the Nazis, along the lines of "If I give you 2,000 of my Jews, you'll leave the ghetto as a whole alone." The major Jewish organization (and the only one allowed to exist) at the time was the Judenrat. Each ghetto had its own chapter. Some chapters, particularly that in Warsaw, tried to keep as many Jews from being deported as possible. In contrast, we have the infamous case of Mr. Rumkowski at Lodz, a Judenrat leader who tried to guarantee his own survival by making Lodz into a "model ghetto," which implied doing whatever Germany asked, traipsing around in a Nazi-style uniform sans regalia, and sending out squads of tough Jews to physically abuse and intimidate the rest of the population. The Lodz ghetto did indeed last longer than the others, but not very long; Rumkowski himself died in Auschwitz in 1944.

I do not know if any of these semi-collaborators were Zionists. Jewishness is racial and religious; Zionism is ideological. Zionists believe that the Jews should have Israel, basically. As a matter of fact, the behavior of the Judenrat seems to indicate a desire to remain in Europe.

The question of Jewish collaboration is controversial. It is no question that the Judenrat erred on the side of Germany much of the time, but the organization itself was under constant threat. The Germans gave them ultimatums like "If you don't bring us a trainload of children within the next two days, we'll take a shortcut and liquidate the entire ghetto, including you." The Judenrat was constantly forced to respond to dilemmas rarely seen outside ethics studies textbooks. What degree of responsibility do they share, then? For the answer, we must venture deep into the bowels of philosophy. As I have some things to do, I wish that everyone else would carry on without me as of now. I will be interested to see what people say.

Oops. I just didn't want to use the word 'nation' twice in the same stanza.

A one-day country would succeed in not having a genocide to its name. It would be a lot of trouble, though.

Note to everyone: MissPickwickian's songs are never meant to be taken entirely seriously.

MissPicky wrote a song.
It's not exactly wrong,
but she likely conceived it
in under a minute.
so don't go and try to refute,
she likely just wants to be cute.

YES!! So it IS possible! Woot!

Well, if you think about it, arguing whether or not I can start a small secession is not my most serious argument. Besides, what do you mean by not exactly wrong. That it makes/implies a number of truth claims and that claims correct(tc) > 0? Or do you set a higher standard for your 1 minute conceptions? Really though Miss, I don't think anyone would deny the cuteness of your songs or the cleverness required either, I just like overanalysis of things that really should not be overanalyzed.

You win this round...

Yep, so now on to the next!!

Perhaps you know this already, but the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to get Jews sent from Germany to Palestine. I thought this was just internet kookery when I first read it, but it’s a well acknowledged piece of history – just not the sort of thing they dwell on in school history classes, probably.

See the wikipedia article on the Havara Agreement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

The Nazi-Zionist Collaboration is also discussed in The Transfer Agreement by Edwin Black and 51 Documents by Lenni Brenner (both writers are Jewish).

There is a book called “The Holocaust Victims Accuse: Documents and Testimony on Jewish War Criminals” written by Rabbi Moshe Shonfeld in 1977 in which he claims that when Jews were trying to leave Nazi-occupied Europe, Zionists worked to keep the doors shut to them in every country apart from Palestine.

You can download a pdf of the book from http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
(direct link to pdf here )

The site also contains an article called “The Jews of Iraq” by an Iraqi Jew, Naeim Giladi, claiming that Zionists faked anti-Semitic incidents in Arab countries to get Jews to move to Palestine. He writes more about this in his book “Ben-Gurion’s Scandals”.

Another interesting aspect of WW2 is that the Nazis knowingly employed up to about 150,000 “part-Jews” in their army. The Jewish writer Bryan Mark Rigg recently wrote a book about it called “Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers”. See here.

aye, apparently this is true. shocking to say the least. i remember reading a few extracts from 51 documents a few years ago.

and there is also the stern gang, a zionist faction based in what was then palestine, who proposed in 1941 entering into world war 2 on the side of the nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

Actually, it has not been clearly identified if it was a nazi that turned the gas valve or a jewish collaborator.

I am not saying that it was another Jew that killed Anne Frank, but that there is insufficient evidence to unequivocally state that it was not.

But if it was, I'm sure that it was done under duress.

If you may allow me a completely random moment of self-congratulation, I shall point out that this is the longest thread I've ever started.

This is why I'm hot, yo.