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09 May 2008, 8:31 am

I agree with Descartes. Seven days was likely more than seven CALENDAR DAYS. Because to God Almighty, a thousand years is a single day and a single day is a thousand years.

Whatever that might mean for us mortals.



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09 May 2008, 8:46 am

Odin wrote:
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Uh, no, there have been many news stories of American children chastized for
carrying their Bibles at school, for praying in school alone and on their own time,
and for wearing Christian clothing or jewelry -- while the other kids are allowed
to wear whatever pagan messages and symbols they want.
It is a complete double-standard.


Prove it, and Fox News, Drudge, and Fundy organizations moaning about how they are being "oppressed" don't count as sources.

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I second that, Ragtime. No Christian iconography allowed and yet but wall to wall Slipknot, Megadeth, Marlyin Manson. Our culture is way too strict in some ways and far too lenient in others. Issues like this really bring out my Inner Archie Bunker.

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Yes, they are musicians and not religious figures. I was aware of that. But the values they represent are definitely anti-establishment, antoi-government and anti-Christian.

Err... Dave Mustaine (vocalist/guitarist/founding member) of Megadeth is a born-again Christian. Manson is this generation's David Bowie (i.e. focuses on image, rather than music/message), and Slip-pop are a group of 40-year-old men screaming about how they cut themselves (see 'Everything Ends' from the Iowa album).

QED.

slowmutant wrote:
I agree with Descartes. Seven days was likely more than seven CALENDAR DAYS. Because to God Almighty, a thousand years is a single day and a single day is a thousand years.

Whatever that might mean for us mortals.

...f**k.

You're either a troll, or you're God's secretary. In which case, enlighten us heretics :o


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09 May 2008, 8:55 am

I'm neither a troll nor am I God's secretary. I understands the Creation Story to be an allegorical account. I do not defend the literal interpreataion of Genesis.



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09 May 2008, 9:40 am

slowmutant wrote:
...to God Almighty....a single day is a thousand years.


Apply recursively. :)



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09 May 2008, 10:11 am

Apply recursively? What are you talking about?



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09 May 2008, 10:11 am

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So, not a single phrase that "isn't science" can be uttered in a science classroom.


*snort*

as if it were 'a single phrase.' If all a teacher said was, 'some people philosophically believe that life is too complex to have evolved unaided,' no one would bat an eye.



That's what they're not allowed to do. Even a one-sentence mention. It is not allowed.
Familiarize yourself with the particulars of the ID-in-schools debate, please, before you make a comment.


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09 May 2008, 10:15 am

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Public school teachers do not have the right to indoctrinate their captive audience with their own religious views, no.


That's what they do! Many public school teachers indoctrinate their captive audiences with whatever they want to teach, and get away with it completely, unless it in some way supports Christianity. Promoting any other religion is more allowed. Telling students God didn't create the universe is allowed, and commonly taught -- even though there's no way of knowing whether or not God created the universe.


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09 May 2008, 10:16 am

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If the teacher makes clear that his view toward ID is outside of the curriculum,
and is merely answering one of students' most fervently-wondered questions --
"Does my teacher believe in ID?" -- then what is wrong with the teacher answering
his student's directly-asked question, and saying,
"Off the record, yes, I do happen to believe in ID"?
Answer: Nothing is wrong with that. This is America. People are Constitutionally
entitled to their beliefs, both on and off of American campuses.


that's true. And if that's as far as it ever went, no one would have a problem with it.


Dead wrong!

Again, please pull your head out, and familiarize yourself with what is actually going on today in the real world of public education.
Students are made to comform to the secular humanist religion taught in classrooms all over the country,
and if they dissent as Christians from swallowing it, they are punished in a variety of ways.


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09 May 2008, 10:20 am

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but they are not constitutionally entitled to teach their personal beliefs as fact.


:roll:

Seriously, where have you been??

Constitutionally, no, they are not allowed to teach their personal beliefs as fact,

BUT THEY DO IT. (Do you understand those four words?)


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09 May 2008, 10:21 am

jfrmeister wrote:
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So, not a single phrase that "isn't science" can be uttered in a science classroom.
Wait, wait, wait... don't we have free speech?


This isn't a matter of free speech. There's this pesky little thing in the first amendment called the establishment clause.

"The government shall respect no establishment of religion" Teaching the bible as fact, promotes christianity over other religions.


Who in this thread is even talking about teaching the Bible as fact? What are you referring to, please?


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09 May 2008, 10:23 am

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Apply recursively? What are you talking about?


It was just a joke.

1 day = 1,000 years;
1,000 years = 365,000 days;
365,000 days = 365,000,000 years;
etc. :)

Unfortunately, explaining jokes tends to kill them for many.



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09 May 2008, 10:26 am

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I'm neither a troll nor am I God's secretary. I understands the Creation Story to be an allegorical account. I do not defend the literal interpreataion of Genesis.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html


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09 May 2008, 10:26 am

Ahhh, recursive algorithim. Now I get it.



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09 May 2008, 10:31 am

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Looks like a pretty interesting website, cliche. Thanks for the link. But was it given as comment on my Creation views? I am not sure. If that was sarcasm, I missed it.



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09 May 2008, 1:31 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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So, not a single phrase that "isn't science" can be uttered in a science classroom.


*snort*

as if it were 'a single phrase.' If all a teacher said was, 'some people philosophically believe that life is too complex to have evolved unaided,' no one would bat an eye.



That's what they're not allowed to do. Even a one-sentence mention. It is not allowed.
Familiarize yourself with the particulars of the ID-in-schools debate, please, before you make a comment.


Familiarize yourself with the particulars of the teachers who have been disciplined or dismissed for promoting ID in schools, please, before you make a comment. Virtually all of them were proselytizing - and that includes your precious 'victims' from the expelled movie.

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Students are made to comform to the secular humanist religion taught in classrooms all over the country,
and if they dissent as Christians from swallowing it, they are punished in a variety of ways.


Oh, horrors! Students taking a biology class must learn current biological theory in order to get credit for taking a biology class, even if they already have their own idea of how the world works! How unfair! How terrible! School shouldn't be about learning, it should be about ever-widening fields upon which you can impose your own ideas!

They don't have to agree with it, but if they want a good grade, they do have to understand it.



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09 May 2008, 1:35 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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Public school teachers do not have the right to indoctrinate their captive audience with their own religious views, no.


That's what they do! Many public school teachers indoctrinate their captive audiences with whatever they want to teach, and get away with it completely, unless it in some way supports Christianity. Promoting any other religion is more allowed. Telling students God didn't create the universe is allowed, and commonly taught -- even though there's no way of knowing whether or not God created the universe.


What is taught in science class is the current scientific consensus. If there is an actual, valid debate amongst scientists (note that less than one persent of the relative field disagreeing does not count as 'debate'), as with the debate between gradualism and punctuated equilibrium in biology, then that might be taught as well. Religion has no place in science classes. I don't understand why that's so hard for you to comprehend.