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I think Evangelical and extreme Christians...
Are absolutely correct, these morals SHOULD be law! 6%  6%  [ 6 ]
Are mostly right, but maybe a bit too intense. 12%  12%  [ 13 ]
Are mostly wrong, but we need the balance. 9%  9%  [ 9 ]
VERY WRONG! Christian morals are great for church, but church and state must remain separate! 73%  73%  [ 77 ]
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27 Apr 2008, 1:38 pm

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very wrong! and by the way our country wasnt founded with judeo-christian principles so dont try to kid yourself. our founding fathers were men, not evangelists. freedom of religion means dont shove your fairy tale down my throat. take the ten commandments down and who do we think were kidding when we say "in god we trust". yeah lets trust in god to protect us from our enemies bahahaha. you know the track record.


Most of the founding fathers were Episcopalians and Unitarians, though. Those are extremely liberal denominations.

But then again, I base conservative vs. liberal on whether someone watches South Park.


Most of the Founders were Deists that were Christian in name only.


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27 Apr 2008, 1:38 pm

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This is all very interesting, but speaking as a European I wonder, how did the present state of affairs come about? Except for Italy (which is exceptional due to the proximity of the Vatican), religion plays little or no part in European politics, and I don't think there is another industrialised country where it has the same influence as in the States. If a presidential candidate in a western European country were to come out as an atheist, he wouldn't lose more than a handful of votes among religious extremists, but in the States it would be political suicide. How come, if, as you say, the country was founded by agnostics and closet atheists?


It was taken over by Capitalists in the 1800's, Icheb. When the working class started to out number the owners, the Rei Pubublica (Latin for "of the People") or Republican party had to enlist more numbers, so they took on the three G's crowd (God Guns and Gays) the Evangelical Christians with their already existing organizational hierarchy. They promised them they would work for abortion reform, the right to bear arms and no gay marriage and the Evangelicals delived. However, nothing ever materialized in a practical way for the Evangelicals so they are not as energized about Bush's successor candidate, John McCain.



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27 Apr 2008, 1:45 pm

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This is all very interesting, but speaking as a European I wonder, how did the present state of affairs come about? Except for Italy (which is exceptional due to the proximity of the Vatican), religion plays little or no part in European politics, and I don't think there is another industrialised country where it has the same influence as in the States. If a presidential candidate in a western European country were to come out as an atheist, he wouldn't lose more than a handful of votes among religious extremists, but in the States it would be political suicide. How come, if, as you say, the country was founded by agnostics and closet atheists?


Based on my reading of American history the influence of religion in the US comes from the burst of evangelical fervor that occurred in the 1820s and 1830s. Secular humanist institutions, such as the Freemasons, came under vicious attack. Imagine the late 1960s and early 1970s with Baptist hippies instead of New Age hippies, that is what the 1820s was like.


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27 Apr 2008, 1:48 pm

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Most of Latin America is heading toward the left politically, but religion still plays a strong role in society.

I think only Colombia, Peru, and Mexico are still moderate or conservative.

But then again, no one pays attention to Guyana or Suriname.


Indeed, in many parts of Latin America socialism and Catholic teaching have fused into "Liberation Theology."


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27 Apr 2008, 1:56 pm

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I wouldn't expect sex but I would just let it happen if it ever does. :roll:


I meant as opposed to waiting 5 years for marriage, when she doesn't believe in premarital sex--like my second girlfriend.

Come to think of it, I think she may have been an extreme Christian.


I think sex is a critical part of a relationship. I don't think that should wait until marriage. I mean, I have no issue with people who do - that's super if it's for you. However, I don't want any law forcing it...and I swear in the state of Ohio you're gonna get ID'd to buy a freakin cucumber pretty soon.


IMO the "No sex before marriage" thing is a relic from when most marriages were arranged and women were married off at 16. I think a much more appropriate rule for modern society and one that I follow is "no sex until you are in a steady relationship," that is, no one-night stands and promiscuity.


It was all about inheritance and ownership. Back when birth control was controlled by ignorance and a 'sin', and a woman proved her virginity by staining the sheets of the marriage bed with her hymeneal blood, no man that was a man would take a girl that could be pregnant by another, or might even 'compare' techniques and wee-wees.

All this hyper vigilance against sex-toys and 'permissiveness' and (gasp!) same sex relationships is backlash from the 1960's free love revolution. It's a pendulum that swings ( no pun intended) back and forth over the ages in whatever societal culture is involved.

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27 Apr 2008, 3:34 pm

Anyone ever read God's Debris by Scott Adams?


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27 Apr 2008, 3:35 pm

Mikomi wrote:
Anyone ever read God's Debris by Scott Adams?


The Dilbert guy?


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27 Apr 2008, 4:00 pm

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Anyone ever read God's Debris by Scott Adams?


The Dilbert guy?


The very same. It's a great book. Very thought-provoking.


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27 Apr 2008, 4:30 pm

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I base conservative vs. liberal on whether someone watches South Park.


To be honest with you Tim, I didn't think that many people watched that show anymore. I used to watch it but I'm more into Family Guy now. Does that make me conservative? 8)



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27 Apr 2008, 4:34 pm

pat666rick wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
I base conservative vs. liberal on whether someone watches South Park.


To be honest with you Tim, I didn't think that many people watched that show anymore. I used to watch it but I'm more into Family Guy now. Does that make me conservative? 8)



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27 Apr 2008, 9:35 pm

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Just how are these infinite number of rooms numbered? Are we supposed to rely on transfinites for expressing that?

There is a room 1. For each room n there exists a room n+1 next door down the hall.
If a is next door down the hall from room n , and a is next door down the hall from room m also, then room m is actually room n.
Room 1 is up the hall from all other rooms.

If the person in room n coming out to party in the hallway causes the person in room n+1 to come out and party with them, and the person in room 1 comes out to throw a party in the hallway: then everyone comes out into the hallway to party.


Those rooms are not numbered! You can't label a room with a nebulous 'n' or 'm' and expect it to be numbered as any numbered item must have a label that is a real number not included in the transfinites. Any item that is numbered is finite, basically. Economics, my friend.


Let me explain this further. A catalogue is written of all the rooms - a catalogue must exist for any inventory of items for those who sell, elsewise it is untenable for God and St. Paul to manage. If the rooms are not numbered, there is no problem. But the rooms are numbered, meaning that the items are labeled and are part of the catalogue. If there is an infinite number, how is the infinite size of the room able to accommodate the infinite size of the label and the person within it?

If the hall exists, the label of the infinite room is z. The size of the body, k itself must be fit into it. The size of the room must be z + k, but it was assumed that the infinite room z has the highest number, but the size of z + k is greater than it, unless we swing back down to negative infinites. We must also assume that the label has real size, that each number is meant to be legible. If the label is not legible, the room is not numbered.


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04 May 2008, 3:21 pm

For the next 4 days, I will be living in a town that is liberal...but it's liberal compared to Saudi Arabia.


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04 May 2008, 4:27 pm

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For the next 4 days, I will be living in a town that is liberal...but it's liberal compared to Saudi Arabia.


Is it liberal compared to me? I consider myself a liberal when it comes to my views on economics and the environment that is.



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04 May 2008, 4:35 pm

I think extreme christians take The Bible to literally, even though extreme atheists are far more annoying.



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04 May 2008, 4:36 pm

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I think extreme christians take The Bible to literally, even though extreme atheists are far more annoying.


Yeah, they take Dawkins too literally... :P



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04 May 2008, 5:23 pm

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Is it liberal compared to me? I consider myself a liberal when it comes to my views on economics and the environment that is.


I'm 99% liberal on most issues (except abortion, I'm against most), but 99% conservative when it comes to economics.


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