'Fascism, Anyone?' article points out some scary signs!! !
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The new proposed anti-terror laws being debated here in Australia seem to be majorly proactive to the point where I am skeptical that maybe their true intent appears to be to prevent anti-establishment speech (just my own personal theory). I knew a few local people who were injured in the last Bali bombing, but for a country where we have not yet had an attack directly here, these laws seems to be quite tough. I tried to read the leaked copy but it was over 100 pages long. Maybe that's to stop people from really reading he he
that's the full document in case you've got insomnia and need something to put you to sleep
http://www.theage.com.au/ed_docs/terror.pdf
I say again - i wasnt saying that was a definate fact, just a distinct possibility.
It is indeed a distinct possibility. Klytus said that what you said was ridiculous, and I was making a comparison. Basically, I was being a smartarse.
I say again - i wasnt saying that was a definate fact, just a distinct possibility.
It is indeed a distinct possibility. Klytus said that what you said was ridiculous, and I was making a comparison. Basically, I was being a smartarse.
It's not a distinct possibility. It is completely ridiculous. I don't think there's anything "smart" about such insane conspiracy theories, and the comparison you made was invalid because you saw an implication in something I'd said that just didn't exist.
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Thats becos the American administration, being fascists, wood gladly see as many peeple from Cuba - a communist country - killed as possible, and these peeple got in the way of that.
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mjs82, it is a known FACT that the true intent of American - and even British - anti-terror laws is to prevent anti-establishment action, if for no other reason than that that happens to be the the definition of terrorism. It dosent take muchof a leap of faith to expand that to include speech as well.
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I say again - i wasnt saying that was a definate fact, just a distinct possibility.
It is indeed a distinct possibility. Klytus said that what you said was ridiculous, and I was making a comparison. Basically, I was being a smartarse.
lol
Tell me why its not possible. Tell me why its ridiculous.
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He missed out 2 very important ones. Bush's America and Brown/Blair's Britain
Errrrrrrrm ... no. Britt didn't forget about Bush. The whole point of his article was to suggest that Bush's America might be on the road towards becoming a fascist state. I've already mentioned how ridiculous I think this is,.
You don't get around much do you? Get your news from the McNews outlets? ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN,FOX? They all lie. All the time. If you read real news, your opinions would more accurately reflect reality.
Did you know that under the terms of the new Patriot Act prosecutors will be able to seek the death penalty in cases where “defendants gave financial support to umbrella organizations without realizing that some of its adherents might eventually commit violence”? (NY Times; editorial 10-30-05) So, if someone unknowingly gave money to a charity that was connected to a terrorist group, he could be executed.
Or, that the Senate Intelligence Committee is fine-tuning the details of a bill that will allow the FBI to secretly procure any of your personal records without “probable cause” or a court order giving them “unchecked authority to pry into personal and business matters”? (New York Times, “Republicans seek to widen FBI Powers, 10-19-05) Or, that on June 29, President Bush put “a broad swath of the FBI” under his direct control by creating the National Security Service (aka; the “New SS”)? This is the first time we’ve had a “secret police” in our 200 year history. It will be run exclusively by the president and beyond the range of congressional oversight.
Or, that on October 27, 2005 president Bush created the National Clandestine Service, which will be headed by CIA Director Porter Goss and will “expand reporting of information and intelligence value from state, local and tribal law enforcement entities and private sector stakeholders"? This executive order gives the CIA the power to carry out covert operations, spying, propaganda, and “dirty tricks” within the United States and on the American public. (“The New National Intelligence Strategy of the US” by Larry Chin, Global Research)
Or, that Pentagon intelligence operatives are now permitted to collect information from US citizens without revealing their status as government spies? (“Bill would give Cover to Pentagon Spies”, Greg Miller, Times Staff writer, “The Nation”)
America is undergoing its greatest metamorphosis. It has been severed from its constitutional moorings and is drifting towards a police state. If Samuel Alito is appointed to the Supreme Court then Bush will be able to solidify his “unchecked” power as executive and 50 years of progressive legislation will be up for review. Everything from abortion to Miranda will be reconsidered through the hard-right lens of the new majority.
Americans still seem blissfully unaware of the fundamental changes to the political system. The cloak of disinformation and diversion has successfully obscured the perils of our present course. Freedom is no longer guaranteed in Bush’s America nor is liberty everyman’s birthright. The rickety scaffolding that supports the rule of law has been replaced with the unbridled authority of the supreme presidency. The country is slipping inexorably towards the Orwellian nightmare; the National Security State.
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Americans still seem blissfully unaware of the fundamental changes to the political system. The cloak of disinformation and diversion has successfully obscured the perils of our present course. Freedom is no longer guaranteed in Bush’s America nor is liberty everyman’s birthright. The rickety scaffolding that supports the rule of law has been replaced with the unbridled authority of the supreme presidency. The country is slipping inexorably towards the Orwellian nightmare; the National Security State.
that was actually pretty well put. the american system now appears to be without its checks and balances, as they have been co-opted by the hard right.
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Hate to brake it to you mate, but they allreddy did. the only thing this changes is that there actaully ALLOWED to do so now.
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Americans still seem blissfully unaware of the fundamental changes to the political system. The cloak of disinformation and diversion has successfully obscured the perils of our present course. Freedom is no longer guaranteed in Bush’s America nor is liberty everyman’s birthright. The rickety scaffolding that supports the rule of law has been replaced with the unbridled authority of the supreme presidency. The country is slipping inexorably towards the Orwellian nightmare; the National Security State.
that was actually pretty well put. the american system now appears to be without its checks and balances, as they have been co-opted by the hard right.
Remind anyone else of a little European country 70 or so years ago?
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Americans still seem blissfully unaware of the fundamental changes to the political system. The cloak of disinformation and diversion has successfully obscured the perils of our present course. Freedom is no longer guaranteed in Bush’s America nor is liberty everyman’s birthright. The rickety scaffolding that supports the rule of law has been replaced with the unbridled authority of the supreme presidency. The country is slipping inexorably towards the Orwellian nightmare; the National Security State.
that was actually pretty well put. the american system now appears to be without its checks and balances, as they have been co-opted by the hard right.
Remind anyone else of a little European country 70 or so years ago?
I presume you mean Nazi Germany.
OK, ok, we get the idea already.
Look, if any country in the world today is aiming to emulate Nazi Germany, it's Iran.
Did you know that under the terms of the new Patriot Act prosecutors will be able to seek the death penalty in cases where “defendants gave financial support to umbrella organizations without realizing that some of its adherents might eventually commit violence”? (NY Times; editorial 10-30-05)
CNN is known in right-wing circles as the Communist News Network (or, alternatively, the Clinton News Network). I'm sure they're not shy about using anti-Bush material.
I live in the UK by the way. I occasionally catch CNN, but I've never seen any of the other channels you mention. The media in the UK is pretty much dominated by lefties - the BBC for instance - peddling anti-American propaganda.
There are a few exceptions, like the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph. I like to check out right-wing publications online, like National Review, Canada's National Post and the Jerusalem Post.
Why do you think the New York Times is so much better than ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN and FOX?
In fact, since you seem to think that the Holocaust never happened, I'd be interested to know about other sources of information you use.
