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17 Sep 2008, 10:26 pm

There is always a cycle until people see it and feel remorse and pledge not to repeat it. Have you seen Braveheart?
Looking back, was the government that was replaced so much better? Scotland seems like a nice country, but I've never been there so don't really know.


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17 Sep 2008, 10:30 pm

HA HA HA!! ! You think that people feel remorse and do not repeat their pasts? People always repeat the past. It is almost hilarious how they do so, in fact, even if they do not repeat the past, they then head forward into another error. We need tentativeness, not permanent utopia.



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17 Sep 2008, 11:42 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
HA HA HA!! ! You think that people feel remorse and do not repeat their pasts? People always repeat the past. It is almost hilarious how they do so, in fact, even if they do not repeat the past, they then head forward into another error. We need tentativeness, not permanent utopia.


I'd go for permanent utopia. I'd go for the Kingdom. I've had enopugh tentativeness.



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18 Sep 2008, 12:19 am

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What good is it if we are all alone though.



Lindsey: What are people like, on the inside?

Powder: Inside most people there's a feeling of being separate, separated from everything.

Linsey: And?

Powder: And they're not. They're part of absolutely everyone, and everything."



Powder: My grams and gramps had it, the spot where they thought they were disconnected from everything.

Lindsey: So that's what they'd see if they could?

That they're really connected?

Powder: And how beautiful they really are.

And that there's no need to hide, or lie.

And that it's possible to talk to someone without any lies, with no sarcasms, no deceptions, no exaggerations or any of the things that people use to confuse the truth.

Lindsey: I don't know a single person who does that."


Quotes.. from the film.. Powder

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18 Sep 2008, 12:32 am

Wow, he quoted a movie with Lance Henriksen that wasn't The Terminator or Aliens (and therefore sucked). I sure am convinced.


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18 Sep 2008, 1:36 am

I only saw Terminator I and I liked it. What was the heroines name in that movie? She was an anarchist too. I haven't seen Powder but that is beautiful dialog.

History is fascinating in how it repeats the same mistakes over and over. People tend to do the same thing with their own lives. Ever notice how we have these patterns? They can't be broken if they go unrecognized.

It seems like the government might have a point. Many people can't conduct themselves properly and act civilized. Therefore maybe the population needs to be reduced.

That is satire for those who are pissed at me right now.


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18 Sep 2008, 1:59 am

Anarchy's about as foolish as Communism...same with any other extreme fringe political philosophies.



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18 Sep 2008, 4:19 am

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They're trying to prove the existence of the Higgs Boson.

To put it better, they want to find evidence for the Higgs Boson.
That's what I meant. =]
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Are you guys all drunk?
Sadly no. Chever is just a kid with much too big a chip on his shoulder to realise I'm trolling him becuase he's being such a douche to other people. Either that or he enjoys wasting his time engaging in profitless debates on the internet, if you can call baseless incessant heckling a debate. Either way, it is mildy entertaining, although detracts from the topic entirely.
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Yeah, Sling obviously knows so much more than me. He even has a completely unique definition of 'proof'! !
It's called Asperger's Syndrome. I read books, I study up. It's what I do. Also, ease the f**k up.

Pretty much every political philosophy has flaws with it. I'm not sure where I stand politically although the internet once told me I'm left wing and ever so slightly authoritarian. I used to be opposed to Anarchism but in essence it is a good idea. I guess I don't have enough faith in the human race for that idea to actually be carried out well, or accurately.


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18 Sep 2008, 7:04 am

Anarchy as defined in the ole Websters is defined as either "disorder" or "utopian society made up of people who live without government and enjoy complete freedom" "state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority"

Some of those definitions are almost complete opposites! Either you have a utopian society enjoying their freedom because of their independence, intelligence high social development, or you have complete lawlessness because government and law just took a crap. It almost seems that anarchy, along with utopia, are terms far beyond our level of societal development to even define, let alone live with. I mean, it's either disorder and lawlessness or the ideal utopia. It should have meant at one time, the ideal utopia, where People Don't Need Government. They can govern themselves. We are so far from that level of education, decency, and evolutionnary brain and nervous system development it isn't funny. ( I say brain and nervous system because they are connected and ultimately you must have this high degree of esteem and well-being for yourself and the world around you, including all the people in it, and in order for that to happen, over 90% of people in the world must regard themselves and others as well-adjusted, agreeable, intelligent. There is no way utopia is possible if people are still having petty arguments, useless wars, and competing in utterly and literally bankrupt capitalist systems.) In other words, anarchy cannot work if people are worked up over competition, culture, love, etc. Anything that starts a fight or an argument. Anarchy, if it is the perfect utopia of zero government is only possible when the highest level of development in human character and brainpower are reached. WE ain't there. We ain't even close.



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18 Sep 2008, 9:06 am

Sling wrote:
Sadly no. Chever is just a kid with much too big a chip on his shoulder to realise I'm trolling him becuase he's being such a douche to other people. Either that or he enjoys wasting his time engaging in profitless debates on the internet, if you can call baseless incessant heckling a debate.


Just a kid, huh. Well I'm not getting younger or dumber, and in a few short years I will have a Master's if not a Doctor's, so shut your piehole.

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It's called Asperger's Syndrome. I read books, I study up. It's what I do. Also, ease the f**k up.


Alright, how come you don't have a clue about what proof is outside of the colloquial (wrong) definition?


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18 Sep 2008, 12:15 pm

Thank you Jul, that was very well said. I think the thread should end there.
Some-day! (Judy Garland voice singing over the rainbow) Someday, people will become smarter...

Chevor, you need a spanking. Go watch Terminator I.


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18 Sep 2008, 12:23 pm

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Chevor, you need a spanking. Go watch Terminator I.


I've seen the first two (good) Terminator films many times


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18 Sep 2008, 12:26 pm

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Monarchism has more of a chance than anarchism, because with monarchism the compelling factor for everyone is fear. Fear of punishment by the agency of the monarch for not obeying the monarch's rule. With anarchy, there's no one in charge so there's no one to fear. Or to blame.

Maybe, in anarchy, one of the things avoided is a society run by fear.


Fear is necessary as a very effective motivator and behaviour management tool. Sounds bad, I know, but it's true when you look at the whole thing from a Pavlov and B.F. Skinner point of view.



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18 Sep 2008, 1:57 pm

Magnus wrote:
I haven't seen Powder but that is beautiful dialog.


This is a rather long clip from the film..

If you click half way through it.. you get the part I quoted from.. it sounds better if you see him saying it.

Powder is an outcast.. with a beautiful mind.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkWhJlPFEcc

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Then there's - The Dreamers.. directed by Bernardo Bertolucci

This is another excellent film.. about film buffs.. and anarchy.

It's about those who break the rules.. but in a playful manner.

In my opinion.. one of the best films I have ever seen.

Beautifully made.. magically directed.... and very provocative.

Eva Green is a truly talented actress.. who gives a fascinating performance..

I love her!! !..:-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxbZF1Wi ... re=related

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"I was one of the insatiables. The ones you'd always find sitting closest to the screen. Why do we sit so close? Maybe it was because we wanted to receive the images first. When they were still new, still fresh. Before they cleared the hurdles of the rows behind us. Before they'd been relayed back from row to row, spectator to spectator; until worn out, secondhand, the size of a postage stamp, it returned to the projectionist's cabin. Maybe, too, the screen was really a screen. It screened us... from the world."

Quote from.. The Dreamers

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18 Sep 2008, 2:54 pm

"Fear is necessary as a very effective motivator and behaviour management tool"
What.... And you belief that....

What a terrible(?) thing to say or belief and I'm very much against what you're impliing, Slowmutant. Yuck.... You sound like you're caged and I'm wishng for the opposit. Compulsive as I am.

"Fear is necessary as a very effective motivator and behaviour management tool",

No, man. Do not follow, I'd say.

Best of luck,
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18 Sep 2008, 3:30 pm

Negative emotions like fear can be just as valuable and edifying as positive emotions. Everything, every conceivable experience can yield lessons and wisdom. I believe that.