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30 Sep 2008, 9:32 am

Yes, *some* Arabs practise a violent form of religion. I did not mean to imply that *all* Arabs are death-worshipping maniacs ... but some are.



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30 Sep 2008, 9:46 am

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Yes, *some* Arabs practise a violent form of religion. I did not mean to imply that *all* Arabs are death-worshipping maniacs ... but some are.


the KKK is based on religion and committed heinous acts in the past


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30 Sep 2008, 9:53 am

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Also, I do not really agree with "adapt or return". I welcome them to bring in their culture and let it exist next to ours. I dont see the issue with an Islamic school in the street next to a church, I dont see the problem in a mosque existing next to a christian scouts club.


At one point you defend or talk about mixing, living together. Now there's contradiction, because living next to each other does not imply mixing with each other or assimilating. A culture gets lost when mixing with another and becomes a hybrid society. So, how can they preserve their and we our culture if we have to mix? And if you live next to each other you create ghettos like the orthodox Jews decided to live separately from the Belgians in Antwerp?


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30 Sep 2008, 10:02 am

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Yes, *some* Arabs practise a violent form of religion. I did not mean to imply that *all* Arabs are death-worshipping maniacs ... but some are.


the KKK is based on religion and committed heinous acts in the past


The KKK is *loosely* based on a far-right interpretation of Christianity. Invoking God and religion gives them the illusion of validity. Jesus said love thy neighbour as yourself, which is the exact opposite of what the Klan does. But your point is a valid one. When it comes to God-sponsored terrorism, no one comes off smelling like a rose.



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30 Sep 2008, 10:07 am

slowmutant wrote:
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Yes, *some* Arabs practise a violent form of religion. I did not mean to imply that *all* Arabs are death-worshipping maniacs ... but some are.


the KKK is based on religion and committed heinous acts in the past


The KKK is *loosely* based on a far-right interpretation of Christianity. Invoking God and religion gives them the illusion of validity. Jesus said love thy neighbour as yourself, which is the exact opposite of what the Klan does. But your point is a valid one. When it comes to God-sponsored terrorism, no one comes off smelling like a rose.


I assume we agree that violent extremism from all religions should be opposed, while the average, peaceful members of all religions should be free to practice their faith as long as it does not interfere with the rights of others.



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30 Sep 2008, 10:08 am

monty wrote:
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Yes, *some* Arabs practise a violent form of religion. I did not mean to imply that *all* Arabs are death-worshipping maniacs ... but some are.


the KKK is based on religion and committed heinous acts in the past


The KKK is *loosely* based on a far-right interpretation of Christianity. Invoking God and religion gives them the illusion of validity. Jesus said love thy neighbour as yourself, which is the exact opposite of what the Klan does. But your point is a valid one. When it comes to God-sponsored terrorism, no one comes off smelling like a rose.


I assume we agree that violent extremism from all religions should be opposed, while the average, peaceful members of all religions should be free to practice their faith as long as it does not interfere with the rights of others.


Yes. But how to seperatre the potential for extremism from mainstream religion? That's where we're stuck.



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30 Sep 2008, 10:16 am

slowmutant wrote:
monty wrote:
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Yes, *some* Arabs practise a violent form of religion. I did not mean to imply that *all* Arabs are death-worshipping maniacs ... but some are.


the KKK is based on religion and committed heinous acts in the past


The KKK is *loosely* based on a far-right interpretation of Christianity. Invoking God and religion gives them the illusion of validity. Jesus said love thy neighbour as yourself, which is the exact opposite of what the Klan does. But your point is a valid one. When it comes to God-sponsored terrorism, no one comes off smelling like a rose.


I assume we agree that violent extremism from all religions should be opposed, while the average, peaceful members of all religions should be free to practice their faith as long as it does not interfere with the rights of others.


Yes. But how to seperatre the potential for extremism from mainstream religion? That's where we're stuck.
it is mainstream religons that send out missionaries around the world, which makes them extremists, as they believe that other people need to be converted and that their brand of religion is the true faith. Mormons, Jehova...etc, are extremists coming from mainstream religon


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30 Sep 2008, 10:26 am

Yes, there is no easy way to determine that, just as there is no easy way to tell who will peacefully protest abortion or pollution or animal rights, and who will turn violent. I think that engaging in dialogue and building bridges between moderates is the way to go; there were more than a few suspicious individuals reported by Muslims who don't like the idea of violence against innocents.

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A paid police informant who calls himself "an observant Muslim" infiltrated a group of men and youths arrested last month and charged with plotting to carry out bomb attacks and kidnappings around southern Ontario, CBC News has learned.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... -plot.html


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In the days since he was identified as the informer who turned in the man accused of masterminding the World Trade Center bombing and became a candidate for a $2 million reward, Istiayaak Parker has been different things to different people: lucky Boy Scout, mercenary turncoat, American spy, or perhaps an America-hating accomplice who turned on his mentor to escape prison himself.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A963958260


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Since 9/11, Muslim informants have gathered evidence for the government about a number of alleged plots by Muslims to attack American targets. These informants have won the confidence of the alleged Muslim plotters, and then pretended to participate in the alleged plots while making tape and video recordings for the government.

An Egyptian-American Muslim informant, Osama Eldawoody, helped convict an Egyptian-American Muslim in NY, James Elshafay, and a Pakistani Muslim immigrant, Shahawar Matin Siraj, of conspiring to blow up a NY subway station. ...

A Pakistani Muslim informant, Naseem Khan, helped convict a Pakistani-American Muslim from Lodi, CA, Hamid Hayat, of providing material support to terrorists by attending a terrorist training camp in Pakistan. ...

A Yemeni Muslim informant, Mohamed Alanssi, helped convict an African-American Muslim in NY, Tariq Shah, of pledging allegiance to Al Qaeda and offering to train Al Qaeda members in martial arts and hand-to-hand combat. ...

Two paid informants infiltrated the so-called Fort Dix Six, a group charged with plotting to kill U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix (where troops train for missions in Iraq and Afghanistan) in New Jersey. The informants offered to connect the group to an arms dealer.

A convicted felon seeking a reduced sentence infiltrated a group of Muslims charged with plotting to attack JFK Airport in NY. ....

http://rtnews.wordpress.com/2007/09/06/ ... nformants/



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30 Sep 2008, 10:49 am

Islam is the most bloody religion

Christianity is the most hypocrite religion

Judaism is in between



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30 Sep 2008, 10:53 am

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You do realize how exatraordinarily vicious and bloothirsty Arabs can be. You think the Arabs who flew those planes into the WTC are friendly folk? Wake up.


Just FYI, Arab is a ethnic group. Most arabs are Muslims , few are Christians and Jews but not all Muslims are Arabs.


but oops!...but I forgot ...your bible is racist against Arabs and Canaanite race.

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Deuteronomy 7
The extermination order

7:1When Yahweh your God shall bring you into the land where you go to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before you, the Hittite, and the Girgashite, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and mightier than you; 7:2and when Yahweh your God shall deliver them up before you, and you shall strike them; then you shall utterly destroy them: you shall make no covenant with them, nor show mercy to them;
No mixed weddings with the Canaanites

7:3neither shall you make marriages with them; your daughter you shall not give to his son, nor his daughter shall you take to your son.
Destroy the religious culture of Canaan people

7:5But thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their engraved images with fire.
No pity for the Canaanites

7:16You shall consume all the peoples who Yahweh your God shall deliver to you; your eye shall not pity them...
Deuteronomy 12
Destruction of every sacred object or place of Canaan people

12:2You shall surely destroy all the places in which the nations that you shall dispossess served their gods, on the high mountains, and on the hills, and under every green tree: 12:3and you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and burn their Asherim with fire; and you shall cut down the engraved images of their gods; and you shall destroy their name out of that place.
Deuteronomy 20
The city surrenders: Payment of tributes

20:10When you draw near to a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace to it. 20:11It shall be, if it make you answer of peace, and open to you, then it shall be, that all the people who are found therein shall become tributary to you, and shall serve you.
The city resists: Extermination of males and booty (women, children and cattle)

20:12If it will make no peace with you, but will make war against you, then you shall besiege it: 20:13and when Yahweh your God delivers it into your hand, you shall strike every male of it with the edge of the sword: 20:14but the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil of it, shall you take for a prey to yourself; and you shall eat the spoil of your enemies, which Yahweh your God has given you.
For the people of Canaan: complete extermination

20:15Thus shall you do to all the cities which are very far off from you, which are not of the cities of these nations. 20:16But of the cities of these peoples, that Yahweh your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes; 20:17but you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite; as Yahweh your God has commanded you...



No wonder why Zionists always had all this grudge against Lebanese and Palestinians since the first day they came to Mid-east.



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30 Sep 2008, 10:57 am

Arabs aren't a race but a people of the desert. Just like the Jews they are an admixture of negroids and caucasians also called semites.



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30 Sep 2008, 11:19 am

Arab as people who live in the Arab Peninsula as well the Bedouins are self-defined as a Semite race whose are the descendants of tribes of Arabia , while there are other groups who are politically called "Arabs" because of their current language yet they are "Arabized" non-Arab-identified (ie. Lebanese , Egyptians , Somalians ...) who are mainly descendants of other ancient Semitic groups who used to speak different languages yet they lost their origin language because of the successive Arab crusades and long occupations , there's a non-ending debate of how much 'Arab' these Arabized people.


World wide, the Arabic language is main determinant of 'Arab'.



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30 Sep 2008, 11:34 am

LePetitPrince wrote:
Islam is the most bloody religion

Christianity is the most hypocrite religion

Judaism is in between


What about the Crusades? And the Inquisition? I dunno, Christianity has a pretty bloody history. It's arguable tied with Islam for being the World's Bloodiest Religion. Runners-up are Hinduism and Sikhism. But as far as hypocrisy is concerned, the Christian religion is the reigning champion. :lol: :twisted:



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30 Sep 2008, 12:19 pm

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Arab as people who live in the Arab Peninsula as well the Bedouins are self-defined as a Semite race whose are the descendants of tribes of Arabia , while there are other groups who are politically called "Arabs" because of their current language yet they are "Arabized" non-Arab-identified (ie. Lebanese , Egyptians , Somalians ...) who are mainly descendants of other ancient Semitic groups who used to speak different languages yet they lost their origin language because of the successive Arab crusades and long occupations , there's a non-ending debate of how much 'Arab' these Arabized people.


World wide, the Arabic language is main determinant of 'Arab'.


HOw Ironic it is to read that muslems crusaded....maybe we ought to say crescented :lol:


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30 Sep 2008, 12:21 pm

slowmutant wrote:
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Islam is the most bloody religion

Christianity is the most hypocrite religion

Judaism is in between


What about the Crusades? And the Inquisition? I dunno, Christianity has a pretty bloody history. It's arguable tied with Islam for being the World's Bloodiest Religion. Runners-up are Hinduism and Sikhism. But as far as hypocrisy is concerned, the Christian religion is the reigning champion. :lol: :twisted:


So why are you Christian?

I would like to argue with you regarding Islam's military history. 13 centuries prior to the geneva conventions, the Qur'an set out a guidline for proper conduct of war: only in self-defence, or in cases of aggression against the religion. There was proper treatment of civillians and POWs. Murder, Raping, Pillaging, which was popular with Christians until the end of the medieval age are absolutely forbidden in Islam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_war_in_Islam

In fact, 3 million German women were raped in Berlin alone by Russian soldiers after the battle of Berlin. True, the USSR was an atheist state, but most of its population remained and continues to remain Christian. Conscription is still practiced in Russia, to a lesser extent.

I'd say Christianity has always been a warlike religion and will always continue to be so, and that Christian fanatics will always kill in the name of God. Fanatic Christian and Zionist armies will always attempt to anhialate us. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 09925.html

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Arab as people who live in the Arab Peninsula as well the Bedouins are self-defined as a Semite race whose are the descendants of tribes of Arabia , while there are other groups who are politically called "Arabs" because of their current language yet they are "Arabized" non-Arab-identified (ie. Lebanese , Egyptians , Somalians ...) who are mainly descendants of other ancient Semitic groups who used to speak different languages yet they lost their origin language because of the successive Arab crusades and long occupations , there's a non-ending debate of how much 'Arab' these Arabized people.


World wide, the Arabic language is main determinant of 'Arab'.


HOw Ironic it is to read that muslems crusaded....maybe we ought to say crescented :lol:


Read the history behind those wars.



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The difference between islam and other belief systems is the willingness of its leadership to approve the murder of people who have other belief sytems. 98% of conflicts in the world today involve muslims.
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Why do muslims make up such a large portion of the combatants?
Why are muslims in conflict with every other belief system in existence?
Why are the answers from muslims never straight forward but always clouded, couched, or answered as a comparison to something unrelated?

BTW: All arabs are not muslim, and all muslims are not arab. Muslims are of many different ethnicities. To single out an ethnic group is racist. You can get killed talking to a muslim about Buddha in the Philippines as easy as you can talking to a muslim about him in Egypt.
I will never get to see the kabaal (house of baal) in Mecca, because muslims will kill anyone who does not believe in their entity, within 10 miles of the the moon rock they worship there.


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