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10 Feb 2009, 7:18 pm

Haliphron wrote:

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But the best of course...

What about Yog-Sothoth? Cthulhu is NOT a deity, it is an extraterrestrial lifeform. :wink:

lol. No matter how some people may "worship" natural selection, neither is Darwin.

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10 Feb 2009, 7:24 pm

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I've also seen it with a cross near the head for some reason, which I never understood...mostly on the cars of Evangelicals. It's meant to be an obscure symbol, but the cross just ruins it IMO.

I think the ones with the cross make the fish look dead. It reminds me of cartoons where dead characters have exes in their eyes. :lol:

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10 Feb 2009, 8:29 pm

I think, this web page can serve very well as a prove that no god exists: If a god would exist, he could never allow such a eye-cancer causing web-design, especially not in promotion for him.

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10 Feb 2009, 8:37 pm

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I think, this web page can serve very well as a prove that no god exists

Nonsense. Web pages cannot "prove" the existence of God one way or another. We do not rely on web pages to qualify our faith objects.

You can't prove a negative, try as you might. If you don't have enough information to confirm absolutely, you don't have enough information to deny absolutely.

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10 Feb 2009, 8:39 pm

slowmutant wrote:

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I think, this web page can serve very well as a prove that no god exists

Nonsense. Web pages cannot "prove" the existence of God one way or another. We do not rely on web pages to qualify our faith objects.

OK - To explain: I used the means of irony.

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10 Feb 2009, 8:43 pm

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The bible doesn't tell Christians to kill anyone.

well......

Genesis 9:6 wrote:

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Exodus 21:23-25 wrote:

But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Exodus 21:15 wrote:

Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death.

Exodus 21:17 wrote:

Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:10 wrote:

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:13 wrote:

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 24:14-16 wrote:

Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. Say to the Israelites: 'If anyone curses his God, he will be held responsible; anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.

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10 Feb 2009, 9:04 pm

You forget to mention the love, forgiveness, and brotherhood that Jesus talks about. There are positive quotes that cancel out the negative quotes you cited.

Given the nature and content of this thread, its title is bitterly ironic.

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10 Feb 2009, 10:12 pm

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Jesus is not a savior. If it were not for the sinister Paul, Jesus would be no more than a footnote in history. Christianity is Paulianity.

ruveyn

You're so wrong. It wasn't Paul whom they put up on that cross. Paul didn't offer himself as a supreme sacrifice.

He would have offered his wife, if he had one

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10 Feb 2009, 10:26 pm

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You forget to mention the love, forgiveness, and brotherhood that Jesus talks about. There are positive quotes that cancel out the negative quotes you cited.

well, this seems to make some changes on the matter........

Matthew 5:38-42 wrote:

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

It could be said that NT contradicts the OT in that aspect and to be an example of the difference between an old religion and a new one, at the time.

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10 Feb 2009, 11:43 pm

greenblue wrote:

mitharatowen wrote:

The bible doesn't tell Christians to kill anyone.

well......

Genesis 9:6 wrote:

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Exodus 21:23-25 wrote:

But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Exodus 21:15 wrote:

Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death.

Exodus 21:17 wrote:

Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:10 wrote:

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:13 wrote:

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 24:14-16 wrote:

Notice I said Christians. What you quoted is all Old Testimate which was fufilled or 'finished,' as it were, when Jesus came/died. Christians are not under the Mosaic Law. I'll edit with references in a minute...

-edit- Here: Colossians 2:13-14 - ... He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us ... He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake

Mat 5:17-18 - (Jesus says) Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill;

Romans 10:4 - For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.

Romans 7:6 - But now we have been discharged from the Law..

Galatians 3:24-25 - Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. 25 But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor.

Aside form all of the scriptures that talk about loving your neighbor and ect as previously mentioned.

Is that sufficient?

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10 Feb 2009, 11:52 pm

mitharatowen wrote:

greenblue wrote:

mitharatowen wrote:

The bible doesn't tell Christians to kill anyone.

well......

Genesis 9:6 wrote:

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Exodus 21:23-25 wrote:

But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Exodus 21:15 wrote:

Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death.

Exodus 21:17 wrote:

Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:10 wrote:

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:13 wrote:

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 24:14-16 wrote:

Thank goodness! Now Christians can finally accept the good sense of evolution and the physical reality of a universe that developed out of basic physics rather than the arbitrary nonsense of an illogical super being.

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10 Feb 2009, 11:57 pm

Sand wrote:

I'm going to have to assume that you are being sarcastic since what you say has nothing to do with the discussion quoted.

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11 Feb 2009, 12:38 am

mitharatowen wrote:

Sand wrote:

I'm going to have to assume that you are being sarcastic since what you say has nothing to do with the discussion quoted.

Just following the logic of your dismissal of the old testament. Throwing out the baby and the bath and all that.

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11 Feb 2009, 2:07 am

The Lord's my shepherd, thats the song! But just in case, we better have a Bomb. :lol:

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11 Feb 2009, 2:51 am

Haliphron wrote:

The Lord's my shepherd, thats the song! But just in case, we better have a Bomb. :lol:

Well, at least the Israelis think so.

Anyway my genetics removed me from sheephood quite a few million years ago.

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11 Feb 2009, 5:21 am

I only find hypocritical preachers amusing when the the only thing they have to preach is the spiritual benefit one would obtain from giving them money. There is only so much twisted logic I can take.

I would like to know, though, if they think that Peter Yarrow is going to hell for writing "Puff, the Magic Dragon". Would anyone who does enjoy looking at this stuff mind posting a link if they see that?

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