If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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03 Nov 2012, 9:24 pm

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Reason I'm against abortion is because I believe life begins at conception, and I don't believe taking an innocent life sets things right, to the contrary I look at it as a woman was raped which is an evil act, and then to compound the issue an innocent child was murdered, which is another evil act.

Good for you.

Now kindly stop trying to tell other people how to live their lives, mkay? Not your body, not your right to decide or restrict their decision. End of.

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03 Nov 2012, 9:37 pm

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Good for you.

Now kindly stop trying to tell other people how to live their lives, mkay? Not your body, not your right to decide or restrict their decision. End of.

The child's body isn't yours either, unfortunately in this case the child is unable to advocate for themselves because they are now dead just like any other murder victim.

Maybe I should see if I can get an abortion survivor to join this forum.

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03 Nov 2012, 9:40 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

abacacus wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Good for you.

Now kindly stop trying to tell other people how to live their lives, mkay? Not your body, not your right to decide or restrict their decision. End of.

Your spamfest using Saul Alinsky tactics to engage in a smearfest is getting old.

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03 Nov 2012, 10:19 pm

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Then maybe people should report the crimes...

Lack of reporting is only the first issue of many. 100% reporting would lead to 6 or 7 convictions out of 100 rapes, assuming that the reported and unreported rapes occured under equally provable circumstances.
also:
http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0 ... port-rape/
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2012/04/why_i_didnt_rep
http://rape-outcry.blogspot.com/2009/07 ... -rape.html

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Actually I kinda misspoke, in this case it would be the job of prosecutors concerning this, meaning she wouldn't be billed any legal fees.

Unless he was let off, in which case she can be sued for false reporting. I kid you not.

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Problem with your statement is that you're saying that taking deliberate action to end someone else's life is the same thing as not donating blood in order to save lives, which it is not.

I will say LKL you are presenting a much better argument than some other people here.

I guess I'm feeling high-functioning right now

I don't think that there's such a difference between having an abortion and refusing to donate a body part like blood or a kidney; one is taking an action, and the other is declining to take action, but they are both refusing to let someone else use your body in a way that causes you some harm between small and very severe.

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03 Nov 2012, 10:34 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

abacacus wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Good for you.

Now kindly stop trying to tell other people how to live their lives, mkay? Not your body, not your right to decide or restrict their decision. End of.

The child does not exist yet. It has no body that could be it's own.

Go find an abortion survivor to join. It makes no difference. At all.

Your argument is, at this point, literally worthless in a debate. Got anything else?

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03 Nov 2012, 11:12 pm

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Liberals champion science until the S word comes up.

Sonogram.

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03 Nov 2012, 11:19 pm

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Liberals champion science until the S word comes up.

Sonogram.

What about 'em?

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04 Nov 2012, 12:42 am

abacacus wrote:

Taverson wrote:

abacacus wrote:

Liberals champion science until the S word comes up.

Sonogram.

What about 'em?

Has to do with the fact Liberals don't want people to see the children they are planning on killing, cause they might not have the abortion then...

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04 Nov 2012, 12:49 am

Meh. I don't really care. People die every day. One more makes no difference.

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04 Nov 2012, 1:55 am

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04 Nov 2012, 4:35 am

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Then maybe people should report the crimes...

now that is ignorance on an epic scale,

so people should just without further notice forget what happened and shug off the psychological effects of it?

they should blindly accept the sometimes unethical treatment of people in that situation,? especially if media gets involved.

there are reasons for actions and without examining them one ends up an idiot

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04 Nov 2012, 6:16 am

[quote='yasha]Thank you for proving in your own words that this is about using abortion for contraceptive purposes and the "rape" argument is just a strawman.[/quote]

You have conveniently ignored the part of my post where I said I was happily single and not interested in having sex with anyone. This isn't about me. I just refuse to throw other women under the bus.

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What country do you live in?!?!?!

Ireland. If someone is raping you, you're well entitled to kill them in self defense, and rape lasts rather less than pregnancy.

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You chose to have the sex, it's not the child's fault you find the resulting pregnency inconveinent.

Lol, AGAIN, you're reducing it down to mere 'inconvenience'. You know what, that cuts both ways. I can decide that the fetus's life is merely an inconvenience, since after all, it isn't even conscious until far into late stages.

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04 Nov 2012, 8:15 am

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JNathanK wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Your spamfest using Saul Alinsky tactics to engage in a smearfest is getting old.

Who the f**k is Saul Alinsky? You use that name as if all liberals are supposed to know who that is.

It is just a line that he picked up from Newt Gingrich.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... t-gingrich

Inuyasha has no idea who Saul Alinsky is, either.

Of course, even if one doesn't know exactly who he is, everyone will immediately recognize that Saul David Alinsky is a Jooooo.

Bashing Jews remains a popular sport among "Conservatives." Within their community, bashing a Jew makes them appear smart. :nerdy:

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04 Nov 2012, 8:31 am

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Dude, this is the United States, she has the right to legal counsel, if she cannot afford to pay for an attorney then it is the Government's responsibility to provide an attorney...

state defense attourneys are incredibly overworked. I knew one who worked for Lake County (IIrc) here in California, and he easily put in more than 100 hours a week for the multiple cases he was assigned at any given time. He sometimes didn't even have time to review a case file before he met with a client... and he was one of the few who gave a damn, and wanted to do a good job.

Once the Repugnicans turn America into a Conservative Paradise, a raped woman's best option might actually be to go to prison, particularly if she is among the 47% of Americans who are parasites upon the land, and if her Rapist isn't a Republican politician.

She will be put to work. She will get free food, a bunk and some minimal medical attention. Plus, a non-stop buffet of Lesbian encounters. If she is in a state that isn't too Republican, then she might even get some vitamins while gestating. Keeping the baby wouldn't be an option for convicts--it would be wooshed away for adoption (or to be raised in an orphanage, or to be used in medical experiments). She would get 24 hours to rest before being put back to work.

In a Conservative Paradise, actually convicting a rapist will be impossible. The victim would have to demonstrate that she had kept a penny between her knees, and that she had kept her vagina completely dry during the encounter. Otherwise, her pregnancy will be proof enough that the rape was "legitimate", and off to prison she goes.

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04 Nov 2012, 8:33 am

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Meh. I don't really care. People die every day. One more makes no difference.

Death by natural causes or accident is not the same as deliberate murder.

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04 Nov 2012, 8:41 am

I don't consider it murder because I don't consider it to be a person until it can survive outside the mother's body.

Even if I didn't think that I'd still be pro choice. I don't ever want kids or to have to suffer through pregnancy and childbirth.

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