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Do you believe God exists?
1) God is a being, that one can have a personal relationship. A person God. 30%  30%  [ 55 ]
2) God is an impersonal force that guides reality as it is. He decrees our laws of physics, but does not intervene to break them. 12%  12%  [ 22 ]
3) God does not exist. Reality can be explained by scientific inquiry and the scientific method in by itself. 33%  33%  [ 61 ]
4) I am not sure. There is the possibility that God does exist, or does not. We must follow the preponderance of evidence when drawing our conclusion. 26%  26%  [ 48 ]
Total votes : 186

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26 May 2016, 2:08 pm

AspE wrote:
Sure, as a voice in your head.


so that's why he keeps returning

he can turn up at your house too, don't you think. .

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26 May 2016, 5:08 pm

I much prefer the Holy Comforter to the personal demons present early in my life.

I've changed how I react to life.

Less meltdowns.
Fewer big deals.

Shift(changes) still happen.
I don't like stuff happening.
Chronic illness with my wife and a few friends
Challenges at work
Mechanical failure of a few things around the house.

My goal to be content in all situations. That doesn't mean I like or approve them. It means I can do the next right thing.

I have a shirt that on the front reads in huge letters.
Heavy Drinker
In smaller font John 7:37
He who thirst....
(Some choose to seek solace in Alcoholic Spirits - I don't.)
Love and prayers


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26 May 2016, 8:48 pm

Grischa wrote:
AspE wrote:
Sure, as a voice in your head.


so that's why he keeps returning

he can turn up at your house too, don't you think. .

The difference is I don't think the voices in my head are likely to be real.



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27 May 2016, 4:28 pm

How To 'Hear' God’s Word - in the heart
How To 'Test' God's Existence - Not scientifically, in the physical/ontological domain, but in the existential domain
Existential - where life is defined in a meaningful way
For good reception:
shift your domain



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27 May 2016, 4:46 pm

Grischa wrote:
How To 'Hear' God’s Word - in the heart
How To 'Test' God's Existence - Not scientifically, in the physical/ontological domain, but in the existential domain
Existential - where life is defined in a meaningful way
For good reception:
shift your domain

What's meaningful about it?



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27 May 2016, 4:52 pm

And even so, if there's a multiverse:
perhaps then we have to overcome our provinciality and learn to think regionally
but does this really expose basic reality?

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Romans 1:19 "But the basic reality of God is plain enough."



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27 May 2016, 4:57 pm

missed that question:
meaningful . . why people get up in the morning (not meaningful as something absolute)



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27 May 2016, 6:06 pm

Meaning is in the brain of the beholder.
Perhaps attitude is as well.

From the Complete Jewish Bible -
Philippians 2:14
"Do everything without kvetching and arguing. "
May your brain and heart be at peace.
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28 May 2016, 9:31 pm

My brain keeps telling me that it's awareness. Just awareness in general. Conscienceness... In general. You just may think it is something else, or not real, or whatever because you're you.

Your reality can distort my idea pritty comfortably any way you wish. That's the fun of reality, and your awareness.

Remember... Quantum physics does not function unless you view it.

It's just a theory.


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28 May 2016, 9:46 pm

If a theory falls in a forest and no one observes it, is it falsified?

Now and zen
I smile while I read & right.

Is Dr. Who moral & ethical?

Were the writers of Star Trek?
Was James T Kirk?
Was I affected by my wife's close friend, whose sister may be dying as I type.
Was it right for an author do not us any comas or punctuation marks in his work because he thought they looked funny on the pages of his books

streams of conscious typing/righting of drlaugh who calls himself that as a stage name, because .....


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30 May 2016, 2:16 am

There really should be a second "I don't know option" : True agnostic were you believe it's impossible to gain evidence about it either way, and it doesn't really matter. As for me, I believe in a personal God because religion, though if I were to go with just reasoning I'd go with the second option, physics is God.


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30 May 2016, 3:45 am

i take no notice of what other people have claimed about God, be they learned and renowned for their wisdom, or just people on the street.

sometimes, people say "the most wise and evolved of people in history have many things to teach you if only you listen to their words", but i know they have not actually died and come back to tell us what is going on.

other people say that many people have had near death experiences where they have seen the white tunnel with the heavenly light at the end, but that is a "NEAR" death experience, so it is really an experience they had in life. i can always see a way to doubt those words because they are possibly (probably) a sensation related to anoxia, and i have read that people who have been starved of oxygen (like during a misadventure on a mountain at high altitude) experience a sense of euphoria (which is incidentally deleterious to their prospects of survival).

other people say that some youngsters can "talk in tongues" which have been "transcribed " to reveal descriptions of events (that were esoteric in the extreme) that are verifiable by historic research, but i can see many confluences of coincidence that can lead one to believe they must have lived a previous life in that setting.

no-one has truly died and come back to say what is going on there.

i have read it said that God will never prove "himself" to any mortal (by allowing some calculation or idea, no matter how brilliant, to uncover his existence). maybe that is why the only people i can see who say sense are those that say "you can only have faith". "faith" is a kind of belief imbued with hope.

but in my own speculation, i can only think simply about my instinctive idea that the universe has no boundaries in either space, energy or time.
some people go on about "multi-verses" and brane intersections, but whilst i agree that it could be a possibility, all of those multiple manifestations can not be considered exceptional to the actual "universe". the "universe" is all that can be, including subdivisions of itself that are not influential to other subdivisions of itself in any physical dimension, but there is something greater that unites them. they all exist in reality. even if i am living right next to a reality of another universe that i can never perceive, i have to say that if they both exist, then they are both contained within reality. a greater reality that encompasses all.

i believe there was more than one big bang, and that there are an infinite number of "big bangs" occurring in the entirety of the universe at any instant of time. far beyond the scope of our sensibility.


big bangs are the result of local and cyclic convergences of conglomerations of uniting black holes that surpass some threshold of gravity at an instant, and then instantaneously re-manifest all they swallowed in an opposite process that eventually also surpasses a threshold of gravity in its outward excursion, that is where matter begins to collapse back inevitably again into various black holes that also "drift" toward whatever eventual "big bang" they are drawn toward creating. i do not believe the expanding universe theory that proposes ever increasing "outward" (from where?) acceleration that will result in dissolution of all reality into eternal nothingness.

so the doppler shifting into deeper shades of "red" proportional to the distance from us of the objects observed may suggest that the "farther anything is away from us", the faster it is traveling away from us, and therefore the "universe" is doomed to dissipation to nothingness, but "the distance away from us" notion is reminiscent of the idea of a geocentric universe that prevailed during pre-ptolemy times.
where is the "center of the " 'universe' " ?
why is everything measured from our position?

anyway, in my subjective idea, i was not alive "for ever" in the past before my birth.
"not alive" is the same as "dead".
so i have already been "dead forever"
i experienced none of it. all those infinite years before i woke into life "i" was not anywhere in existence.
so if that is the case again after i die, then it must take the same cycle of me being somewhere in a consciousness again after an infinite amount of time that goes by without my experience of it.

it truly is too difficult for my mind to surmount, so i just think i will just wait and see.



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30 May 2016, 7:36 am

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


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30 May 2016, 8:00 am

drlaugh wrote:
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

so what is that supposed to mean?



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30 May 2016, 8:12 am

B9

I liked your post.
9 smiles.( though your question and quote only had 8 for some reason)


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30 May 2016, 8:46 am

drlaugh wrote:
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I liked your post.
9 smiles.( though your question and quote only had 8 for some reason)

only 8 of them appealed to me and deserved to be quoted. i forget which was the 9th smile however, and since they all look the same i have less care that the excepted smile was lost.