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04 Jun 2010, 7:50 am

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So therefore that Israel not only originally threw the original inhabitants off their land but continuously today evicts original inhabitants in favor of Jews has nothing to do with the bitterness of the original inhabitants. The are merely nasty bullies that can't stand geeky Jews. I am beginning to comprehend your outlook.


The original inhabitants were the Canaanites, the Jebusites, the Hivites, the Hitites, the Girgashites, and the Amorites. Yes. These ancient people were pushed out by the Israelites about 3000 years ago. The arab speaking peoples referred to loosely as the Palestinians are not original dwellers in the land. They came in when the Ottoman Turks took over the land back in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. Before that it was the Syrians. And way back the land was conquered by the Romans.

In relatively recent time the Zionists purchased land for cash from the Turks prior the the Great War. It was very bad land (not properly kept up) and the Turks were only too glad to sell it for cash to these crazy Jews, who fooled everyone and made the land bloom once again. When Mark Twain toured the Holy Land back in 1885 the population was less than 150,000. The land had gone to ruin and supported very few people. When the Zionists made the land grow again it became a magnet for other people to come and make a living there. Now there are over three million Jews in the land and even more non-Jews.

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I see. So if you and your family were born and raised in that area and been there for perhaps a century or so that only indicates you were transients if your forebears had not been there for 3000 years.



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04 Jun 2010, 8:17 am

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So therefore that Israel not only originally threw the original inhabitants off their land but continuously today evicts original inhabitants in favor of Jews has nothing to do with the bitterness of the original inhabitants. The are merely nasty bullies that can't stand geeky Jews. I am beginning to comprehend your outlook.


The original inhabitants were the Canaanites, the Jebusites, the Hivites, the Hitites, the Girgashites, and the Amorites. Yes. These ancient people were pushed out by the Israelites about 3000 years ago. The arab speaking peoples referred to loosely as the Palestinians are not original dwellers in the land. They came in when the Ottoman Turks took over the land back in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. Before that it was the Syrians. And way back the land was conquered by the Romans.

In relatively recent time the Zionists purchased land for cash from the Turks prior the the Great War. It was very bad land (not properly kept up) and the Turks were only too glad to sell it for cash to these crazy Jews, who fooled everyone and made the land bloom once again. When Mark Twain toured the Holy Land back in 1885 the population was less than 150,000. The land had gone to ruin and supported very few people. When the Zionists made the land grow again it became a magnet for other people to come and make a living there. Now there are over three million Jews in the land and even more non-Jews.

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I see. So if you and your family were born and raised in that area and been there for perhaps a century or so that only indicates you were transients if your forebears had not been there for 3000 years.


Jews and Arabs should just get over it. Nuff' said.



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04 Jun 2010, 8:22 am

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I see. So if you and your family were born and raised in that area and been there for perhaps a century or so that only indicates you were transients if your forebears had not been there for 3000 years.


The land "belongs" to the party or parties that have effective possession. One could argue about "rights" until the Sun goes out, but possession is what is observable.

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04 Jun 2010, 8:27 am

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04 Jun 2010, 8:33 am

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04 Jun 2010, 8:41 am

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04 Jun 2010, 9:07 am

Sand wrote:
I see. So if you and your family were born and raised in that area and been there for perhaps a century or so that only indicates you were transients if your forebears had not been there for 3000 years.


The international community and the UN which u value as supremes when it fits your agenda decided that Jews and Arabs should share the land of Israel,
Bullies,as most of us geeks knows too well, don't like to share and doesn't respect coexistence ,and the rest is history .

My father (along with his friends) bought a malaria infested marsh land from a Lebanese land owner and built a kibbutz,A Marxist commune fueled by the highest ideals of it's time,
My father family was genocided but he believed in peace and coexistence and for a few years the Arab neighbors (a Syrian village) were very happy to have someone around in what was then very desolate and backwards place and i still have picture of them dancing at the kibbutz wedding and pictures of the Kibutzniks helping them raise some structures or plow the fileds,
It all changed one day when backed up by Syria the peaceful village try to run the Kibbutz over,
They lost and fled away never to be seen again,
That the local history of the place where i was born,
As far as i know most Arabs choose to stay and i don't see them as different from me in any way nor does the law of the country,
I have a daily contact with them,
My bank manager is an Arab and so is my doctor and pharmacist,
Every morning for the last 20 years i eat breakfast at the Arab village near by
I'm good friend with the owner(he get my autism and he respect me as much as i respect him)
i do not see him or his friends as transient.

Anyway for me this is all battles of yesterday,
Owning a land doesn't mean a thing for me,
The land belongs to God or Alla,
we are all transient,
all we can and need to do is be honest and nice to each other as best as we could and i'm nice to people who are nice to me,
The people from the Arab village near by are very nice to me,
Since i'm a nerd i help them with computers problems,installing and teaching application and games, just as i do with my Jewish neighbors
Actually at the risk of sounding a bit racist i prefer the Arabs to the Israelis as most of the time they are more honest,nice and interesting to me/
At least the ones i know from the village near by are and so is my friend from Gaza,
Why am i telling this ?
to try and paint a little slice of reality of life in Israel, sometimes a picture of ordinary life means much more than the endless digging into documents and laws and all this crap/



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04 Jun 2010, 9:59 am

Another boat incoming. The Irish ship named the Rachel Corrie (look up the name).

Also:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju ... a-flotilla

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greensl ... dom-israel


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04 Jun 2010, 10:16 am

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Another boat incoming. The Irish ship named the Rachel Corrie (look up the name).

Also:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju ... a-flotilla

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greensl ... dom-israel



Israel: we don't want a confrontation



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04 Jun 2010, 10:19 am

nara44 wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Another boat incoming. The Irish ship named the Rachel Corrie (look up the name).

Also:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju ... a-flotilla

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greensl ... dom-israel



Israel: we don't want a confrontation



HA.


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04 Jun 2010, 10:46 am

skafather84 wrote:
nara44 wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Another boat incoming. The Irish ship named the Rachel Corrie (look up the name).

Also:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju ... a-flotilla

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greensl ... dom-israel



Israel: we don't want a confrontation



HA.


If Israel really wanted a confrontation, then they would have long since used their nuclear weaponry. However, Israelis both neither are insane nor want to continue to be forced to retaliate and kick Philistine butt. However, once requested by provocation, such as by 10,000 rockets hitting Israeli residential areas, suicide bombers, blockade running soldier-bludgeoning-wannabe-islamic-martyrs, or various jerks like the Ammonite Nahash who gave a condition for peace that all Israelites have their right eyes gouged out.... after such provocation upon not just the nation itself but directed towards even a certain ethnicity of that nation, what choice do the Israelis have other than to kick butt? Just live under constant attack? Forget that.



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04 Jun 2010, 11:05 am

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If Israel really wanted a confrontation, then they would have long since used their nuclear weaponry.


Nuclear weaponry as a confrontation? Are you joking or are you really that clueless?


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04 Jun 2010, 11:09 am

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If Israel really wanted a confrontation, then they would have long since used their nuclear weaponry.


Nuclear weaponry as a confrontation? Are you joking or are you really that clueless?


Low yield tactical nukes can actually be used in a single battlefield without causing too much devastation, but no I am using hyperbole to an extent.



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04 Jun 2010, 11:23 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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If Israel really wanted a confrontation, then they would have long since used their nuclear weaponry.


Nuclear weaponry as a confrontation? Are you joking or are you really that clueless?


Low yield tactical nukes can actually be used in a single battlefield without causing too much devastation, but no I am using hyperbole to an extent.


There are much larger political implications with use of any kind of nuclear weaponry. If you're going to use low-yield, you may as well just use regular explosives and not render the area radioactive.


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04 Jun 2010, 11:26 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
If Israel really wanted a confrontation, then they would have long since used their nuclear weaponry.


Nuclear weaponry as a confrontation? Are you joking or are you really that clueless?


Low yield tactical nukes can actually be used in a single battlefield without causing too much devastation, but no I am using hyperbole to an extent.


There are much larger political implications with use of any kind of nuclear weaponry. If you're going to use low-yield, you may as well just use regular explosives and not render the area radioactive.


Yeah, there is always the M.O.A.B., which would be ironic to use against Israels enemies if the east side ever started acting as insane as the west side.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuGrDSP0rj8[/youtube]



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04 Jun 2010, 12:27 pm

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Yeah, there is always the M.O.A.B., which would be ironic to use against Israels enemies if the east side ever started acting as insane as the west side.


That's intentional. The east side is land locked. The west side is the land that the Israelis want to capture at this point. The West Bank is mostly captured via settlements at this point. Or to put it in pictures:

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