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27 Mar 2012, 7:06 pm

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I find it rather annoying when people think black culture is little more than gangsta rap and BET.


I know especially when all of the music I love was pretty much started by black blues/jazz musicians....I mean without them we would not have rock or heavy metal. Yet sadly I've heard sometimes if a black person likes rock or metal they get crap from other black people for having 'white' interests........I don't get it I mean why does ones skin color have to determine what they like?


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27 Mar 2012, 7:06 pm

What does being part Cherokee have to do with anything?

... do I get to wave my part Cherokee card, too?


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27 Mar 2012, 7:14 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
What does being part Cherokee have to do with anything?

... do I get to wave my part Cherokee card, too?


If your cherokee then yes I guess idk but then again what does having AS and having a dislike for black culture have to do with anything?



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27 Mar 2012, 7:25 pm

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My issue is this....

Much of "black culture" is elevated by the media to be "superior" to that of other ethic groups...which is insulting. Much of what is praised is glorifying the worst of the black community. This, in turn, is creating a negative "Luddite" movement where young blacks embrace poor language skills, poor work ethic, poor family ethic because it's "hip."

I personally think this is by design to hold black people back from achieving individual greatness, but that's my personal theory.

Even Bill Cosby was harsh on the black community for tolerating this trend.


This. Bolded in black. (hah! look ! a pun!)

I sometimes argue with people about this 'black culture'. Its not a culture. Its a sub-culture created by those who required a consumer base. Its no different than Apple fans, Goths and those odd people that dress in animal suits and hump each other silly.



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27 Mar 2012, 7:31 pm

Dantac wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
My issue is this....

Much of "black culture" is elevated by the media to be "superior" to that of other ethic groups...which is insulting. Much of what is praised is glorifying the worst of the black community. This, in turn, is creating a negative "Luddite" movement where young blacks embrace poor language skills, poor work ethic, poor family ethic because it's "hip."

I personally think this is by design to hold black people back from achieving individual greatness, but that's my personal theory.

Even Bill Cosby was harsh on the black community for tolerating this trend.


This. Bolded in black. (hah! look ! a pun!)

I sometimes argue with people about this 'black culture'. Its not a culture. Its a sub-culture created by those who required a consumer base. Its no different than Apple fans, Goths and those odd people that dress in animal suits and hump each other silly.


Goths were an East Germanic tribe of Scandinavian origin whose two branches, the Visigoths and the Ostrogoths, played an important role in the fall of the Roman Empire and the emergence of Medieval Europe. To day you have people claiming to be Goth when true Goths have ancestores of the Eeast Germanic Scandinavian origin like me :wink:



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27 Mar 2012, 7:35 pm

Joker wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
What does being part Cherokee have to do with anything?

... do I get to wave my part Cherokee card, too?


If your cherokee then yes I guess idk but then again what does having AS and having a dislike for black culture have to do with anything?


None of it is related. I just found your announcement that you're part Cherokee incongruous.


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27 Mar 2012, 7:37 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Joker wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
What does being part Cherokee have to do with anything?

... do I get to wave my part Cherokee card, too?


If your cherokee then yes I guess idk but then again what does having AS and having a dislike for black culture have to do with anything?


None of it is related. I just found your announcement that you're part Cherokee incongruous.


As you can probally tell I have a lot of pride in my heritage my father is a memmeber of the Cherokee nation which is located in the good ol tar heel state North Carolina the first settelers in the state was the Cherokee people not sure what incongruous means so im googeling it now.



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28 Mar 2012, 2:19 am

I wouldn't say I dislike black culture, but I think modern black culture is almost comical sometimes. I mean those people like Lil Boosie, they are doing way worse to black people than David Duke could ever dream of. :D



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28 Mar 2012, 2:36 am

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People are people and most people suck but it isn't because of their race.


Would it worse to kill the entire human race or one branch of it? hmmm



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28 Mar 2012, 5:03 am

Reading through this thread was interesting for me because I can see a lot of the parallels between what happens in north america and what happens in my home country.

A large portion of the complaints about "black culture" in this thread could just as easily be applied to anyone or any group who is on the lower / lowest part of the socio-economic scale. The racism is being mixed with classist attitudes essentially, much like I see in my home country.

The thing is that racism is designed to keep the people it is used against off balance, and more importantly in their place, particularly in terms of their power and their socio-economic standing. In that regard, it has obviously been very successful and will continue to be.


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28 Mar 2012, 5:11 am

I'm not a fan of rap music about violence and "hoes", but that's not what black culture is really about, that's just what is popular.



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28 Mar 2012, 9:49 am

Im not a big fan of the gangsta culture, but I have equal disdain for the kicker culture; both of which are high school phenomena as far as I can tell.

I read "The 50th Law" by 50-cent, I'm not a fan of his music, but I can appreciate the struggle he's been through.



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28 Mar 2012, 10:01 am

I really like rap and to me its a main stream form of poetry which I also like. The ability some rap writers have with words can be likened to a "real" writer and I frequently get goosebumps when I hear great wording/rhyme scheme/topic etc. I recommend any aspie with a scientific lean to listen to the Poet Laureate triology of songs by Canibus.



28 Mar 2012, 10:06 am

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Are many people with AS repulsed by black culture? I don't mean pure racism or dislike of black people, but does anyone get put off by things like rap music, the BET, and 'gangsta' culture?

I think in alot of ways, AS can be seen as the antithesis of the African-American stereotypical paradigm. I think its possible to characterize AS as extreme introversion and inhibition, and black culture seems to be extremely extroverted and uninhibited.

Are there any non-black people with AS who are especially fond of rap music or any aspect of contemporary black culture?

In my High School, many white kids liked things like Eminem and stuff like that. I used to feel like I was rebelling against alot of the preppy white kids who liked rap-music, backwards ball-caps, and urban slang. I felt like my rebellion was to embrace Euro-culture. I was wondering if other people with AS had some feelings on this?

We had lots of blacks bussed in to my HighSchool as well from the inner city and I was sort of put off by their hyper-social ways. There were a few black students who I was on good terms with on an individual basis, but it seemed like the black students as a group were sort of a massive negative presence and collective underacheivement. It would have been difficult for me to associate with them as they were often times loud, disrespectful, troublemongering, and that sort of thing in the hallways.

I went to a small rural elementary school, but I transferred to this bigger school district in the 7th grade where I was exposed to blacks and other minorites for the first time. I was bullied quite a bit and it wasn't long before I honestly wised up and stayed as far away from the black students as possible. I was bullied by white kids too and had all sorts of negative experiences with many groups of students. It was just an observational thing.

Things like rap music, loud music, and profanity were hard on my senses.

So I was just wondering how other AS people feel about black culture and all of this? This forum seems to be generally pretty liberal and I hope I don't get into a spat or anything but I've been thinking about this for a few days. I feel nervous about even posting this topic but I hope to generate a good honest conversation. I'm talking about critical feelings on black culture, not black people.




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28 Mar 2012, 10:55 am

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I heard someone say something before, maybe the author of a book with a title like, "The Collapse of Western Civilization" or something to that affect, that "civilization is on the rise when the lower class mimics the higher class, and it is on the decline when the higher class mimics the lower class" Maybe someone can help me with this one, but I tend to look at black culture as what white america has been looking up to for awhile now, and I feel like, socially, we are on a decline because of it. It is just a feeling, as I haven't living in any other time periods, but I do associate the quote and what is happening today together. Hopefully, it's just the effect of the assimilation process.


I'm not sure about that, but I notice in some hiring managers that back in the 80's when I was born they didn't care what color a person was, either for or against, and that was back in Texas. But since moving to Minnesota back in 2003, I've noticed that hiring managers do tend to care what "race" a person is, not in terms of discriminating against "people of color" or "immigrants" but instead a near exclusive preference for them above anyone else. Once I even worked with a manager, with the same melanin concentration as myself, and she'd go on and on about how mistreated all the minorities were and how this and that about how evil white people are and how all the minorities should be treated with favoritism so as to supposedly undo the wrongful treatment of the past. Unfortunately, that is also racism, another form of blind prejudice - judging ahead of time based upon cosmetic appearance or genealogy alone rather than upon any individual merit.
This. I also think we (whites) are becoming a minority, particularly in the workplace, due to affirmative action. I know when I went to visit a friend in Columbus, OH, and stopped at a fast food restaurant to eat, there was only one white person working there, and the majority of the employees were black and perhaps a few hispanic/Mexican-American (not sure) people working there. You also had entire apartment buildings boarded up in certain sections of complexes. I'm not trying to be racist and am not a white supremacist type of person, but their culture is, let's face it, a sewer. I also think the whole affirmative action thing is causing reverse discrimination. Racism is racism, no matter who it is against.


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28 Mar 2012, 11:07 am

Hanotaux wrote:
Are many people with AS repulsed by black culture? I don't mean pure racism or dislike of black people, but does anyone get put off by things like rap music, the BET, and 'gangsta' culture?

I think in alot of ways, AS can be seen as the antithesis of the African-American stereotypical paradigm. I think its possible to characterize AS as extreme introversion and inhibition, and black culture seems to be extremely extroverted and uninhibited.



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