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The original post was mine btw.

I notice a touch of clever manipulation in your post. "Treated horribly by the capos, etc" is a little misleading, don't you think? The CAPOS get a mention (and is it so very evil for people to take the only out they get given?) but the SS guards and officers and doctors and their families are just an etc. Turning people into LAMPS is worthy only of an ETC? Should it not read "treated horribly by the SS, etc?"

You deny the evidence of the SS themselves as well, not to mention the eyewitness reports of thousands of people, be they victims or otherwise, not to mention scientific and political evidence by the ton. You forget that of all the regimes in history to collapse, few have left such an intact corpse, nor the paperwork of an entire state mechanism free to be reviewed and read. The Soviet Union changed into something else, and thus the "evidence" of its own activities are controlled by another state. Nazi Germany left everything lying out for anyone to see. The small amount that is missing is out-weighed by the sheer volume of material.

There are some people who don't see any evidence of gas chambers and genocide because they choose not to see it.

How about the government of North Korea which is starving its people to maintain its military. They are a major evil. They won't let anyone out.

ruveyn

Which is worse? An evil masquerading as good, or an evil that wears a big hat with EVIL written on it, carrying a banner with EVIL on it?

Yeah, my refusal to believe that it is not only ridiculously hard to coordinate and get away with, but detrimental to the perpetrators means that I'm just in denial of sociopathic scumbags existing .

Bush lied, people died! Look, military intelligence is never crystal clear and although I don't like Bush, faulty intelligence is to blame on the nonexistent WMD's. If military intelligence is fuzzy at best, then how the hell is the government supposed to silence EVERYONE who wants to blow the whistle? A s**t load of people live in the states, and it wouldn't be a matter of minutes to find whoever wants to blow their cover.

You do know your home address can be traced back to your IP right? So if the government was really behind 9/11, then why are you making it easy for em to find you? Your tinfoil hat doesn't help much when they can see what you're thinking on a forum

Seriously, I don't think you honestly believe Israel is more evil than North Korea. Persons who do can usually qualify as Anti-Semitic bigots.
Personally, I am often critical of Israeli state policies, as well as the conduct and behavior of some of its citizens, but in no way am I going to call Israel evil.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

It isn't Israel I think is "Evil masquerading as Good."

Israel are evil. Not nearly as evil as NK, but pretty evil indeed. Human Rights violations. Fascist destruction of opposition. Sorry, but... once a state a state begins demolishing active schools and civilian houses as part of an invasion, that's evil.

I said I didn't support everything Israel has done - and that would include destroying schools, and the homes of terrorists. Not to mention looking the other way when right wing Israelis force Palestinians out of their homes, often by the villagefull, as well as the whole insane settlement scheme.
But the fact remains, Israel is the least oppressive Middle Eastern country, where citizens can and do speak out against their government, and religion is practiced freely. That's a far cry from the surrounding countries that jail or kill dissidents, and where Christians, Jews, and even Muslims of differing theology live in oppression and poverty.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Exactly, Israel's s**t stinks the least out of all of em. To call them evil sounds like a typical anti-war knee jerk response and is as stupid as calling Bush a Fascist or Obama a Commie. It's like those people who say "Bush lied, people died!". Hamas are the real evil chickenshit scumbags.

Have you heard about the latest North Korean outrage. They sprang a currency reform at the end of 2009 which, in effect, confiscates what little savings the people of North Korea have. The effect has been to increase the price of food in a country where malnutrition (by government fiat) is the norm.

See:

http://www.iie.com/publications/opeds/o ... rchID=1487

and

http://www.english.rfi.fr/asia-pacific/ ... rm-reports

The government of North Korea steals crusts of bread from the mouths of widows and children.

But some of you guys think what Israel does is the Most Evil Thing in the World.

ruveyn

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It is far easier to call Israel evil than it is North Korea which does not have an open press, and few if any poltical dissidents able to report problems.

I have noticed in this thread that some of the posters twist what others write and I find this a tad deceitful. I suppose this is what conspiracy theorists do.

That and extrapolate connections to be much more involved and notorious than they actually are.

lol I think the twisting has more to do with being a drama queen than being a tinfoil hat wearer. Seriously, isn't it blowing things outta proportion to say Israel isn't as evil as NK as if they're only a little better? North Korea practically lives in a bubble. If you wanna find something that's only a little better than NK, then there's tons of countries much worse than Israel. And hell, I hardly even consider Israel being anywhere near evil.

@ skafather: Extrapolating too far ahead has a lot to do with it, but I also find their fundamental concept of human nature is wacked. That people are such mindless gullible drones that you could actually coordinate huge groups of people to pull off 9/11 without getting away with it.

While I do think people tend to have a herd mentality, people aren't as sheepish and gullible to the extreme extent conspiracy theorists hold as latent assumptions. A herd mentality is a double edged sword, it can tell you something's wrong when everyone else starts running the other direction, or it can tell you what a loner you are when everyone else is jumping off a cliff. And plus, they have this belief that a few people are the ones who start with power and control the masses, while ignoring the fact that it's the masses who give them the power

Power over people comes from them, not you. They give you power because they believe it is within their best interests and that it will benefit em, not because they're so mindless and gullible that they'll just get clingy out of insecurity.

I'm a believer in the fact that tyranny starts with the masses, which is a big reason why a lot of conspiracy theories instantly set off my BS detector. Hitler would've never became powerful if antisemitism wasn't already prevalent.

Calling Obama a fascist or a communist is wrong because his actions are neither. He is being a useless president, he is not doing anything to stop the wars, he may start one soon but he is not within the definition of fascist or communist.

Calling Israel evil is accurate. the existence of far worse off countries like NK, do not make Israel's issues go away. The claim that it "is the least oppressive middle easter country" is actually a major claim that I will request some proof for. But again, just because worse countries exist, it does not mean Israel's actions are fine, they are really not fine, and I think that Israel has deserved the evil tag since a long time ago.

And I am sorry, but when a state goes imprisoning dissenters, I consider it to have crossed the line between democracy and non-democracy. Then we have intentionally bombing civilians, blocking aid and the red cross' access to a rival country ... I cannot believe you guys are managing to excuse such behavior by just saying "NK is far worse" or "The other mid east countries are worse". Israel is not Ok.

So, really, Israel are not as evil as NK, and I hope they have a long way to go to that level, but accepting their behavior just because NK are more evil is not something I can agree with.

The fact that Muslims are allowed to openly practice their religion and the fact that they have the same rights is proof that it is the least oppressive out of all the middle eastern countries What dissenters exactly are you talking about?

Where's the proof that they intentionally target civilians? Hamas has been known to hide among the civilian population and have been known to stash weapons in all kinds of buildings, as well as using civilians as shields. Those scumbags have been lobbing bombs into their neighbourhoods, so I don't expect Israel to stand by idly and watch it happen.

btw I apologize for labeling you a drama queen since it's wrong for me to assume that bringing NK up means you think Israel's only a notch down from their level of evil, but I still think the way you see it is completely blown outta proportion.

Trust me, you're better off being in the West than in some Arab country. I know from experience.



There is no evidence for controlled demolition being used. So I go with what I (meaning I) see is true.

Personally, I have no interest in which side was behind the plane attacks.



First of all, I take what witnesses say seriously. Do you have any witness who saw a missile hit the Pentagon instead of a plane? And also, in my personal observations, it's always the 911 conspiracy theorists that resort to quoting what people say out of context and misinterpreting things according to their fantasies (like the 45 degree cutouts).



Did you read what I said in the previous post? Don't ask such deceptive questions. Know my position first!



I will only speak for myself.

Intellectual honesty. Nothing more.



In what way are they fantastic? What kind of world do you think you live in?



Browse the thread. I can't be stuffed posting them again. And, anyway, you can just watch them on YouTube if you're so interested.



No, thanks. I've had enough of wild conspiracy theory videos. Used to watch a lot of them in the past (before developing critical thinking and realizing they were full of nonsense).



Since I'm feeling generous at this very moment, I'll post just one video here. It should be more than enough for you.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKov_UZDQE&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]



I bet you think there's some bigass conspiracy going on against poor deniers like you.

I perosnally don't have a problem with honest questioners of the Holocaust (honest skepticism is always encouraged). I have a problem with those who deny it (despite any evidence) because they have a personal agenda of some sort.



Because I have eyes to see and ears to hear. I only need experts to clarify certain aspects of the evidence I see. I don't need experts to tell me things that I can know for myself on my own.



I've already posted enough videos (addressing the points you made in the comment above) that show that you need to start being honest with yourself and with us. You are not fooling anyone but your fellow conspiracy theorists and yourself.



I don't give a s**t for what you think. You said it yourself. You haven't been able to verify those claims for yourself. So why already accept them as true. Do you enjoy believing things blindly?

Anyway, if you actually care for the truth, then just check any of the videos on YouTube that address this. The claims have been shown to be exaggerated and resulting from taking what Larry Silverstein said out of context. Typical of conspiracy theorists as they don't mind lying to people to get their points across.