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23 Feb 2011, 7:37 pm

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Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

If those are the rules, then it must be within my rights to say that that it is my view that the people who shout loudest about homosexuality are often the people who are using homophobia to hide their own homosexuality. I said that. It was deleted.

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Right or wrong, I did that all on my own and only in hope that my doing so might avert any "hot flash" rise out of 'keet or anyone else. And for the record here, I happen to agree, at least in principle:

Personally, I can easily see how any one of us might speak loudest against something we fear in relation to ourselves.


Once again, I am certainly not wanting an argument with you, but I am interested in your point of view on this matter.

That was what I meant when I was talking about feeling that I was being stopped from fighting back. And also what I was talking about days ago when I said that I felt that you showed bias on the PPR board.

Why did you allow Parakeets views on homosexuality to stay up on the board, even though you must surely have known that they could easily give rise to a "hot flash" from a gay person, and quite obviously that is what ended up happening?
At the same time you removed my legitimate comments just in case they upset Parakeet, or somebody else who shared his views?



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23 Feb 2011, 8:28 pm

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Why did you ... allow ... views on homosexuality to stay up on the board, even though you must surely have known they could easily give rise to a "hot flash" from a gay person ...

I have removed your word "happily" there because it does not fit. My doings as seldom done with emotion leading the way. With me, faith leads the way ... and then facts and feelings follow along behind, and in that specific order.

You are correct in the speculation that a gay person could happen along and be offended by comments posted on the board, yet that kind of happenstance simply "goes with the territory", so to speak ... and I am sure everyone here understands that. Your question just posed to me, however, is not really about that ... it is about what seems "fair", is it not? Either way, almost anyone could likely see a disparity there, and I can easily see that myself and admit my having caused that disparity. My answer is a simple one and I hope you can accept it: I had hoped to send you a silent message saying it was not okay to come in swinging. I was not acting upon any kind of favoritism. Should the very same situation come up today now that you are here and getting to know people and interacting just like any other member in good standing, I would not even think of deleting posts and I would simply send a PM and ask to continue our past conversation. Honestly.

You had posted "and quite obviously that is what ended up happening" at the end of your question here, but I do not know what instance you have in mind.

Butterflies wrote:
At the same time you removed my legitimate comments ...

Neither of us presently has access to those removed posts, but we would have to review them together before I could possibly comment there.

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... just in case they upset Parakeet, or somebody else who shared his views?

Essentially, yes, and with "or somebody else" getting at least equal billing ... and yes, I do understand some people view that as some type of censorship on my part. No such thing was ever intended, however, and the proof of that can be seen by anyone perusing the board to see whether any comments such as yours might yet appear anywhere. So then, were you being "picked on" personally? Only within the context of a rookie moderator trying to help calm a firestorm and be sure the freshest embers were out.

Is all of that completely defensible? Maybe not, but it is all "above the line you have drawn" so you and I and everyone else could be here now on this refreshed slate.


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23 Feb 2011, 8:51 pm

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Why did you ... allow ... views on homosexuality to stay up on the board, even though you must surely have known they could easily give rise to a "hot flash" from a gay person ...

I have removed your word "happily" there because it does not fit. My doings as seldom done with emotion leading the way. With me, faith leads the way ... and then facts and feelings follow along behind, and in that specific order.

You are correct in the speculation that a gay person could happen along and be offended by comments posted on the board, yet that kind of happenstance simply "goes with the territory", so to speak ... and I am sure everyone here understands that. Your question just posed to me, however, is not really about that ... it is about what seems "fair", is it not? Either way, almost anyone could likely see a disparity there, and I can easily see that myself and admit my having caused that disparity. My answer is a simple one and I hope you can accept it: I had hoped to send you a silent message saying it was not okay to come in swinging. I was not acting upon any kind of favoritism. Should the very same situation come up today now that you are here and getting to know people and interacting just like any other member in good standing, I would not even think of deleting posts and I would simply send a PM and ask to continue our past conversation. Honestly.

You had posted "and quite obviously that is what ended up happening" at the end of your question here, but I do not know what instance you have in mind.

Butterflies wrote:
At the same time you removed my legitimate comments ...

Neither of us presently have access to the removed posts, but we would have to review them together before I could possibly comment there.

Butterflies wrote:
... just in case they upset Parakeet, or somebody else who shared his views?

Essentially, yes, and with "or somebody else" getting at least equal billing ... and yes, I do understand some people view that as some type of censorship on my past. No such thing was ever intended, however, and the proof of that can be seen by anyone perusing the board to see whether any comments such as yours might yet appear anywhere. So then, were you being "picked on" personally? Only within the context of a rookie moderator trying to help calm a firestorm and be sure the freshest embers were out.

Is all of that completely defensible? Maybe not, but it is all above the line you have drawn so you and I and everyone else could be here on this refreshed slate.


Yes. I would say defensible. I think you're saying that you might have erred on that occasion, if so then fair enough. No hard feelings.

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You had posted "and quite obviously that is what ended up happening" at the end of your question here, but I do not know what instance you have in mind.


I meant that by allowing Parakeets views on homosexuality to stay up on the board, a lesbian (me) ended up having a "hot flash" :lol:



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23 Feb 2011, 8:55 pm

Butterflies wrote:
Leejosepho wrote:
You had posted "and quite obviously that is what ended up happening" at the end of your question here, but I do not know what instance you have in mind.


I meant that by allowing Parakeets views on homosexuality to stay up on the board, a lesbian (me) ended up having a "hot flash" :lol:


I'm sorry that I responded to Volodja's name calling of me and tried to explain why he was wrong in a manner that offended you.



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23 Feb 2011, 8:58 pm

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I think you're saying that you might have erred on that occasion, if so then fair enough. No hard feelings.

Nice.

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I meant that by allowing Parakeets views on homosexuality to stay up on the board, a lesbian (me) ended up having a "hot flash" :lol:

Ah. Way back then, I had no idea whether you stood or sit to pee!


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23 Feb 2011, 11:08 pm

leejosepho wrote:
Butterflies wrote:
I think you're saying that you might have erred on that occasion, if so then fair enough. No hard feelings.

Nice.

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I meant that by allowing Parakeets views on homosexuality to stay up on the board, a lesbian (me) ended up having a "hot flash" :lol:

Ah. Way back then, I had no idea whether you stood or sit to pee!


Now may I get offended, being that though male, and thus classed in the OT as one that pisseth against the wall, I by preference sit? Stereotyping is rampant. Actually, I was somewhat offended, though I kept quiet, when one brother-in-law ecstatically celebrated his young son's first standing ovation. Like that defines manhood? Gimme a break.



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24 Feb 2011, 1:16 am

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Lee, what then happens to 'going out and telling the good news'?

Think of Paul, the passive-aggressive opportunist,


:lol:

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at Mars Hill, and think of the good Samaritan "out on the highways and byways."


No, I'm too much like Peter to play Paul. :) Points taken, but that was one incident in Paul's life, not his final attempt at getting the message across; and for myself I'm nowhere near the point of retreating to the choir room. The choir wouldn't have me anyway...

(Edit: That is, I may respond should the subject come up within this subforum. However, I see nothing served by raising the issue.)


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24 Feb 2011, 3:07 am

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Now may I get offended, being that though male, and thus classed in the OT as one that pisseth against the wall, I by preference sit? Stereotyping is rampant. Actually, I was somewhat offended, though I kept quiet, when one brother-in-law ecstatically celebrated his young son's first standing ovation. Like that defines manhood? Gimme a break.

Yeah, I hear you. All three of us, actually, sit to pee!


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24 Feb 2011, 3:16 am

Philologos wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Butterflies wrote:
I think you're saying that you might have erred on that occasion, if so then fair enough. No hard feelings.

Nice.

Butterflies wrote:
I meant that by allowing Parakeets views on homosexuality to stay up on the board, a lesbian (me) ended up having a "hot flash" :lol:

Ah. Way back then, I had no idea whether you stood or sit to pee!


Now may I get offended, being that though male, and thus classed in the OT as one that pisseth against the wall, I by preference sit? Stereotyping is rampant. Actually, I was somewhat offended, though I kept quiet, when one brother-in-law ecstatically celebrated his young son's first standing ovation. Like that defines manhood? Gimme a break.


It doesn't define manhood until you do it in someone's backyard. :P


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24 Feb 2011, 3:21 am

skafather84 wrote:
Philologos wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Butterflies wrote:
I think you're saying that you might have erred on that occasion, if so then fair enough. No hard feelings.

Nice.

Butterflies wrote:
I meant that by allowing Parakeets views on homosexuality to stay up on the board, a lesbian (me) ended up having a "hot flash" :lol:

Ah. Way back then, I had no idea whether you stood or sit to pee!


Now may I get offended, being that though male, and thus classed in the OT as one that pisseth against the wall, I by preference sit? Stereotyping is rampant. Actually, I was somewhat offended, though I kept quiet, when one brother-in-law ecstatically celebrated his young son's first standing ovation. Like that defines manhood? Gimme a break.


It doesn't define manhood until you do it in someone's backyard. :P


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24 Feb 2011, 6:06 am

Philologos wrote:
Now may I get offended ...

Honest question: What is the etymology of "pee"? Any gender there?

Might an allegation of peeing be to a female like someone "flaming the dame"?

The more I learn about words and wordings, the more I am convinced we know not what we speak.


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24 Feb 2011, 8:03 am

leejosepho wrote:
Philologos wrote:
Now may I get offended ...

Honest question: What is the etymology of "pee"?


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pee, 1788, "to urinate," euphemistic abbreviation of piss. Noun meaning "act of urination" is attested from 1902. Reduplicated form pee-pee is attested from 1923.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=pee

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piss, late 13c., from O.Fr. pissier "urinate" (12c.), from V.L. *pissiare, of imitative origin. As a pure intensifier (cf. piss-poor, piss-ugly, etc.) it dates from World War II. Piss and vinegar first attested 1942. Piss-prophet "one who diagnosed diseases by inspection of urine" is attested from 1620s. Piss proud "erect upon awakening" is attested from 1796.
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24 Feb 2011, 8:24 am

Ah. I has wondered whether there might be any implication of pee-nis ...

Guess not, eh?!


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24 Feb 2011, 10:29 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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And now, from moderators, a call to unilateral censorship? Oy veh.


Would you mind expanding on what you mean?


What I keep hearing is that only one side of any debate upon the topic of homosexuality is allowed to provide their perspectives, at least from the former moderators DW and Lee it sounds like that. What is the official stance?


The funny thing is, I can cope with you posting your views on homosexuality. No matter how disgusting I think they are.
The problem that I had was that I didn't feel that I was free to fight back.
In my opinion, if you want to post views that can be seen as homophobic, then people who disagree with your views should be free to fight back. Sadly that has only resulted in edits from mods, and threats of legal action from you.


I don't even care to be posting about my views on homosexuality, I just also don't care to have people insult me by calling me a "latent homosexual".


This is dead to rights. Spew anti-homosexual rhetoric then when it come to slurs against your heterosexuality in defence you should "take it like a man"



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24 Feb 2011, 10:35 am

AlSwearengen wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Butterflies wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
MidlifeAspie wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
And now, from moderators, a call to unilateral censorship? Oy veh.


Would you mind expanding on what you mean?


What I keep hearing is that only one side of any debate upon the topic of homosexuality is allowed to provide their perspectives, at least from the former moderators DW and Lee it sounds like that. What is the official stance?


The funny thing is, I can cope with you posting your views on homosexuality. No matter how disgusting I think they are.
The problem that I had was that I didn't feel that I was free to fight back.
In my opinion, if you want to post views that can be seen as homophobic, then people who disagree with your views should be free to fight back. Sadly that has only resulted in edits from mods, and threats of legal action from you.


I don't even care to be posting about my views on homosexuality, I just also don't care to have people insult me by calling me a "latent homosexual".


This is dead to rights. Spew anti-homosexual rhetoric then when it come to slurs against your heterosexuality in defence you should "take it like a man"


Oh, shut up with you.



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24 Feb 2011, 10:35 am

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This is dead to rights. Spew anti-homosexual rhetoric then when it come to slurs against your heterosexuality in defence you should "take it like a man"

Everyone has let all the past just lie now, and it would be really decent of you to please do the same! All voices have been heard, all errors have been admitted and nobody presently has any dry old nasty bones to pick.

I personally believe it is not your intent to re-stir the most recent firestorm, but please just try to be sure that does happen even inadvertently, if at all possible!

Peace.


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