France Bans The Burqa

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13 Apr 2011, 8:18 am

Also why aren't they criminalizing that s**t that nuns wear on their heads? Don't hassidic Jews wear something also? I think it's a fear based reaction to 9/11 and everything that's come afterwards. The most direct consequence of it is that Muslim women will be arrested and dragged off the streets. Disgusting.

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13 Apr 2011, 8:55 am

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If you want to criminalise coercion, criminalise coercion, not the thing somebody might be coerced into.

OK lets look at this from a difference point of view, from the 'coercion' of being make to wear the Burqa.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1484145.stm

What are you views about this form on coercion?

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13 Apr 2011, 9:47 am

jamieboy wrote:

Also why aren't they criminalizing that sh** that nuns wear on their heads? Don't hassidic Jews wear something also? I think it's a fear based reaction to 9/11 and everything that's come afterwards. The most direct consequence of it is that Muslim women will be arrested and dragged off the streets. Disgusting.

Rabbis do not cover their faces. Neither do nuns. The issue is identifiability.

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13 Apr 2011, 4:31 pm

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If you want to criminalise coercion, criminalise coercion, not the thing somebody might be coerced into.

That is why I support the ban. Sure, some rights are taken away. But it means that this sort of coercion cannot happen.

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13 Apr 2011, 4:39 pm

I am with.

I wish for a such law here in Lebanon.

Freedom of dressing? freedom my ass. Hiding the face should be illegal for security reasons.

Besides, brainwashing the girls since birth that they would be burned in hell for eternity if they don't wear a such thing doesn't really lead to a freedom of choice.

But wait.....a such law would hurt tourism coming from the KSA, not good.

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13 Apr 2011, 4:58 pm

cdfox7 wrote:

Male Sikhs wear turbans(Dastar/Pagri) for faith reasons they also carry a dagger(Kirpan)..

That does not conceal their identity.

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13 Apr 2011, 4:59 pm

Bethie wrote:

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The fact of the matter is that showing our faces is an intrinsic part of our society and culture.

Nope. It's an intrinsic part of CERTAIN societies and cultures.

Yep, you're right. It's an intrinsic part of the culture in Canada, and other Western nations. You did not disagree with me, and yet the rest of your post makes it seem as though you have?

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I wouldn't presume I could move to a highly conservative country and go to the beach wearing a bikini; I don't presume I'll be allowed into churches if I'm wearing a tank top. Why should someone move to a society where all people show their faces, and expect that they do not have to do the same? This goes for both men and women (although I do not know of any garment that is meant to cover a man's face - does such a thing exist?)

Maybe they expected tolerance and basic freedoms. Silly, I suppose. :roll:

Again, with the "if they don't like it they can leave" bit. That does not address the ethical or political justifications or lack thereof, of the ban.

Is it also silly to respect the need to cover one's shoulders when visiting the Vatican? Or should I expect that the Pope welcome me with open arms because he should be tolerant of my basic freedom to wear a tank top?

Maybe people moving to a new country should respect the culture of the country to which they are moving. The knife cuts both ways. I don't understand why I'm being intolerant, or approving of trampling on "basic freedoms", by pointing this out.

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I don't like it when people wear short shorts. Guess we should ban those.
Oh god, and Crocks! So ugly. Ban 'em.

If people wore short shorts or Crocks over their faces, I'd agree with you.

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13 Apr 2011, 5:05 pm

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Your unreasonable rhetoric targeting Muslims is consistent with the kind of rhetoric that ultimately leads to "eh, just kill them all". It's a prejudice against all for the actions of a few.

Ah! The bogus slippery slope. I ask you again (and please omit the ad hominae, thank you) what does unmasking have to do with genocide or any form of bloodshed, for that matter. I say all masks (other than surgical masks accompanied by a doctors note) should be prohibited in public.

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13 Apr 2011, 5:21 pm

ruveyn wrote:

cdfox7 wrote:

Male Sikhs wear turbans(Dastar/Pagri) for faith reasons they also carry a dagger(Kirpan)..

That does not conceal their identity.

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You taken the point out of context. I was referring to other faiths that use head wear. Also the issue of a Kirpan can be viewed as a matter of public safety & national security. Tho in the UK that issue been cleared up plus most Sikhs carry a blunt Kirpan.

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13 Apr 2011, 5:23 pm

I've read some Sikhs weld the blade into its sheath to prevent it being removed. Others wear a ring with a picture of the kirpan on it

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13 Apr 2011, 5:26 pm

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what does unmasking have to do with genocide or any form of bloodshed, for that matter.
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The systematic elimination of any group usually begins with infringement on their basic freedoms,
and very often in the context of a drawn out dramatic public campaign to convince the majority that said group is dangerous to the security of the whole.

Security, my ass. Has France instituted a wildly-futuristic database of every citizen's facial structure that it scans against people on the street?
Good lord, what a stupid notion to buy into.

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13 Apr 2011, 5:31 pm

Bethie wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

what does unmasking have to do with genocide or any form of bloodshed, for that matter.
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Nonsense. Current law prohibits the wearing of masks and hoods in banks. Our we out to disparage the civil rights of bank robbers? I hope we are. If we can take pre-emtpive actions against would be bank robbers, why not pre-emptive actions against would be terrorists?

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13 Apr 2011, 5:36 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Bethie wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

what does unmasking have to do with genocide or any form of bloodshed, for that matter.
ruveyn

Because someone who enters a bank wearing a mask in a secular country most likely IS a bank robber.
Wearing a burqa is in contrast NOT a reason to suspect someone is a terrorist,
and if they were, I'm pretty sure the triggers will work regardless of headgear.

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13 Apr 2011, 5:39 pm

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Anyone with sufficient Q'ran rolling around in their heads is a potential terrorist.

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13 Apr 2011, 5:41 pm

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And this in a country where all are presumed innocent until proven guilty?

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13 Apr 2011, 6:00 pm

Sometimes, the hijab doesn't interfere with other sexy clothings:

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