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04 May 2011, 1:52 pm

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Of course you don't have to be an intellectual to be happy. In fact, the more you know about the world and the human condition, the less likely you're going to be happy. But my heroes have always been conflicted, depression ridden persons. Probably because that describes my late Dad to a tee.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Sigh.

Me too. My father was the working class, nothing could get him down, type of person; my mother is the eternal optimist regardless of circumstances. But, on the other hand my grandfather was a conflicted genius type that accomplished notable things in history, but died at a relatively young age.

For the longest time my grandfather and my rich accomplished uncle were the people I looked up to. Not too long ago, I found out my Rrch uncle was suicidal with extreme highs and extreme lows most of his life. I would have never known by external appearances.

At this, point, though, at my fathers age of 79, and my mother at age 77. I see that his and her accomplishment was a long balanced life. I have come to understand, that a balanced life, no matter how one achieves it, is an accomplishment beyond all others.


Actually, my Dad was a working class guy too. But he was extremely intelligent, and despite having only one year of college under his belt, he was otherwise self educated, and he could talk with you about virtually any subject. But his whole life he struggled with depression, paranoia, and outbursts of rage. I personally believe my Dad had Asperger's, though he had never been diagnosed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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04 May 2011, 1:55 pm

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I'm not sure if there is a better word for it, but "elitist" is not a good thing to be. To be an Elitist, you embrace the notion that you are fundamentally better than others because of your breeding or your status in the community.

Exactly. Having a degree may mean that you're better educated than other people, but that doesn't make you a better person than other people are.

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economic elitists

You mean economic elitists like George Soros and Warren Buffet, that the left worships so much?


No, being better educated doesn't make you a better person, but neither does willful ignorance. And holding higher education in contempt certainly doesn't make you a good person.
As for Soros and Buffet - I hardly worship either of them.

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04 May 2011, 2:10 pm

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Most politicians put on a show, if they didn't, it is not likely they would get the attention necessary to get elected.

If you can, try to think of a successful national level politician that hasn't put on a show in the last 20 years. There may be some that don't, but those, generally, are the ones people don't remember.


Granted, but America desperately needs a leader....not a showman.



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04 May 2011, 2:44 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Of course you don't have to be an intellectual to be happy. In fact, the more you know about the world and the human condition, the less likely you're going to be happy. But my heroes have always been conflicted, depression ridden persons. Probably because that describes my late Dad to a tee.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Sigh.

Me too. My father was the working class, nothing could get him down, type of person; my mother is the eternal optimist regardless of circumstances. But, on the other hand my grandfather was a conflicted genius type that accomplished notable things in history, but died at a relatively young age.

For the longest time my grandfather and my rich accomplished uncle were the people I looked up to. Not too long ago, I found out my Rrch uncle was suicidal with extreme highs and extreme lows most of his life. I would have never known by external appearances.

At this, point, though, at my fathers age of 79, and my mother at age 77. I see that his and her accomplishment was a long balanced life. I have come to understand, that a balanced life, no matter how one achieves it, is an accomplishment beyond all others.


Actually, my Dad was a working class guy too. But he was extremely intelligent, and despite having only one year of college under his belt, he was otherwise self educated, and he could talk with you about virtually any subject. But his whole life he struggled with depression, paranoia, and outbursts of rage. I personally believe my Dad had Asperger's, though he had never been diagnosed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yes, I am also pretty sure my father had Aspergers too, and likely my grandfather, my fathers twin brother and his son. My sister in my current avatar has it.

My fathers special interests were guns, NASCAR, and knives. And never had friends, only acquaintances at work. The only time he showed real emotion was when his cat died. He never seemed up and never seemed down just the same, same, same. He might have said a few sentences at a time to my sister and I, but small talk was impossible for him.

It was obvious to me that it was all inside of him somewhere; he just couldn't get it out.

I don't think I would have wanted any other father, but neither my sister or myself ever had the opportunity to really get to know him. But, on the other hand when I was so busy in life, I thought I knew myself well, but never had time to even think about myself very much.

I would imagine that the cases of HFA and Aspergers in the general adult population is much, much higher than what is reported, rather than the assumption that is overdiagnosed.

It is already evident that most people that are diagnosed with Aspergers dont hold steady employment. How in the world would the rest of them most people with HFA or Aspergers even have the opportunity for a diagnosis without health care, other than a disability avenue that doesn't go far to diagnosis it.

I would imagine with Obamacare we will see a rise in diagnosed cases.

I'm not so sure it is a matter increasing cases of Aspergers so much as it is a culture where people with Aspergers have a much harder time of adapting to, than in the historical past.

If I had passed away at age 46, no one would have ever known I had a form of Autism, they would have just remembered me as that guy that was quite a bit different than most everyone else.

Anyway, another tangent here by me.



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04 May 2011, 4:07 pm

I don't recall ever having small talk with my Dad, either. It was always about history, anthropology, scifi, horror, or fantasy fiction, or politics. Always something intellectual rather than mundane. He did have friends - in his gardening clubs, which was truly his passion. In that case, he'd talk endlessly like a monomaniac about the subject of gardening. Otherwise, he was very clumsy at social relations - much like me.
Like you, I only was diagnosed later in life with Asperger's. When my little girl had been diagnosed with PDD-NOS, I read up on high functional autism, and discovered I was reading about myself. So I went to the same psychologist who looked at my daughter, and got an official diagnosis.

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04 May 2011, 5:24 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't recall ever having small talk with my Dad, either. It was always about history, anthropology, scifi, horror, or fantasy fiction, or politics. Always something intellectual rather than mundane. He did have friends - in his gardening clubs, which was truly his passion. In that case, he'd talk endlessly like a monomaniac about the subject of gardening. Otherwise, he was very clumsy at social relations - much like me.
Like you, I only was diagnosed later in life with Asperger's. When my little girl had been diagnosed with PDD-NOS, I read up on high functional autism, and discovered I was reading about myself. So I went to the same psychologist who looked at my daughter, and got an official diagnosis.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I had a child with 22Q-11 gene deletion and many other problems. He didn't live long, and I always suspected something I had may have influenced his condition.

I didn't get the genetic test but much later in life found I had congenitally fused vertebrae in my neck, and fluid filled spaces in my brain. Interestingly this stuff is correlated to Autism and Schizophrenia and the 22Q-11 gene deletion.

I was really relieved to get the diagnoses of PDD NOS rather than schizophrenia. When I was young the physician didn't see it as a problem that I couldn't put words together until age four. Times have changed.



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04 May 2011, 6:11 pm

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I don't recall ever having small talk with my Dad, either. It was always about history, anthropology, scifi, horror, or fantasy fiction, or politics. Always something intellectual rather than mundane. He did have friends - in his gardening clubs, which was truly his passion. In that case, he'd talk endlessly like a monomaniac about the subject of gardening. Otherwise, he was very clumsy at social relations - much like me.
Like you, I only was diagnosed later in life with Asperger's. When my little girl had been diagnosed with PDD-NOS, I read up on high functional autism, and discovered I was reading about myself. So I went to the same psychologist who looked at my daughter, and got an official diagnosis.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I had a child with 22Q-11 gene deletion and many other problems. He didn't live long, and I always suspected something I had may have influenced his condition.

I didn't get the genetic test but much later in life found I had congenitally fused vertebrae in my neck, and fluid filled spaces in my brain. Interestingly this stuff is correlated to Autism and Schizophrenia and the 22Q-11 gene deletion.

I was really relieved to get the diagnoses of PDD NOS rather than schizophrenia. When I was young the physician didn't see it as a problem that I couldn't put words together until age four. Times have changed.


I am so sorry for the loss of your child. I don't know how I'd be able to handle that.

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04 May 2011, 7:36 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
aghogday wrote:
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I don't recall ever having small talk with my Dad, either. It was always about history, anthropology, scifi, horror, or fantasy fiction, or politics. Always something intellectual rather than mundane. He did have friends - in his gardening clubs, which was truly his passion. In that case, he'd talk endlessly like a monomaniac about the subject of gardening. Otherwise, he was very clumsy at social relations - much like me.
Like you, I only was diagnosed later in life with Asperger's. When my little girl had been diagnosed with PDD-NOS, I read up on high functional autism, and discovered I was reading about myself. So I went to the same psychologist who looked at my daughter, and got an official diagnosis.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I had a child with 22Q-11 gene deletion and many other problems. He didn't live long, and I always suspected something I had may have influenced his condition.

I didn't get the genetic test but much later in life found I had congenitally fused vertebrae in my neck, and fluid filled spaces in my brain. Interestingly this stuff is correlated to Autism and Schizophrenia and the 22Q-11 gene deletion.

I was really relieved to get the diagnoses of PDD NOS rather than schizophrenia. When I was young the physician didn't see it as a problem that I couldn't put words together until age four. Times have changed.


I am so sorry for the loss of your child. I don't know how I'd be able to handle that.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Thank you.