Are Jews Basically "Fellow Christians?"

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Then I shan't!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Can't you offer a deeper apology than that for having apologized?

and Jews are perfected Canaanites.

Dang, I just can't be sorry enough!

-Bill, otherwise known Kraichgauer

You have nothing to appologize for. In your post with "tough language" you have shown committment to help Jews out. To this they should be greatful. But I guess they have grudge against Christians and thats why they would twist whatever Christians say or do into something bad that they are supposed to appologize for. If you said the same things without describing yourself as a Christian perhaps they would have been more greatful; but then again who knows .... they also have negative attitude towards non-Jews in general.

Now that is questionable.

The Hebrew language as we know it is, yes, one of the Canaanite dialects, quite close to what we know of Phoenician and pretty close [allowing for different time depth] to Ugaritic. And chunks of OT literature match wording with Ugaritic texts.

But the migration story has them coming out of the east of Semitic territory and coming - as Bedouin style herders - into the territory of the settled agricultural and trading Canaanites.

If they actually came in from the East as barbarian conquerors - which is what they say - they were likely different in speech. Maybe the same stock as the Arameans? They claim an Aramean component. Maybe an early Arab line? The book of Job is set in what was later home to preIslamic Arabs. Maybe borderline Akkadians or a branch of Semitic now lost to us.

When you get barbareian invasions, it can go either way. The Germanic invaders of the Roman Empire dropped their language and switched to Latin, even though Spanish names are often straight Gothic.

But when the Sotho speaking Makololo invaded western Zambia, a lot of the indigenous population took on what turned into Lozi.

The Hebrews:

Could be a culturally aberrant Canaanite tribe from the frontier moved into the center.

Could be a non-Canaanite Semitic tribe or confederacy moved in, took over, intermarried and took on the local lingo.

No way to discriminate.

The folks in German who stood idle (not even taking a part in the attacks on Jews) were all Goyim. Very few of them were righteous. Jews cannot rely on the good will and righteousness of gentiles. It is erratic and seldom. I am perfectly willing to live in peace with my Gentile neighbors, but I do not rely on them for anything important. I would rather break bread with a decent pagan who has respect for life and property than a sanctimonious Christian who is praying for me.

ruveyn

Check the "Bible Unearthed" by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman. You may find it very interesting.

What about the modern sanctimonious Christian, who feels compelled to bless you?

This is quite a shift from your experience as a youth.

It looks at first glance like an interesting compilation that I may try to fit into my schedule - they keep me busy.

Almost certainly the Hebrews originated in a confederacy of tribes, not necessarily all originally Semitic in tongue, probably not all joined at the same time, They will have come to the region by different routes; there is a high probability some were urban Canaanites who joined up.

While things are still being found, the area has received a LOT or archaeological attention for a long time. The critical period is probably going to be preliterate, and I can't guess how many inscriptions you would need to reconstruct anything. Uninscribed artifacts cannot attest to the linguistic affinities of their makers or users. Most of the Thamudic inscriptions, for example, are along the lines of "Albie son of Kilroy was here. Nice campsite." The names can at least tell you probable language and a bit about religion given the frequency of theophoric names in the ancient Mideast, but for the Hebrews we just don't have it.

The Akkadians give is the tantalizing "Habiru" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habiru - and "dawidum" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele - but it is not enough. Why won't they let me use the University's time scanner?

(Following our linguist...)
Help me, please...I think he has brought a challenging one for both of us, linguist.

the "Bible Unearthed" by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman.?! !!

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That is a blessing I can do very well without. It reminds me too much of heaping coals according to Pauls procedure.

ruveyn

There is an Evangelical Socializer I work with. He is a good guy, easy to get on with. We do not see eye to eye, but we are both serious Christians - and we both know that. He is "officially" a missionary - supported by alms. I am not. But we work on the same projects and what I do is at least as useful as what he does.

When we talk on the phone - usually he calls me - he maneuvers himself into position so he can sign off with "God bless you" He makes sure he says it before I have a chance. I refuse to respond "Bless you too" - he is NOT my priest I should gibe him "et cum spiritu tuo" as response.

I try not to be annoyed. He is not truly sanctimonious, he is just socialized into doing it.

Well, early in your life, your sanctimonious Christian neighbors consigned you to Hell. Now, some of them at least let you squeak into Heaven, even without worshiping Jesus.

motl - I am amazed. Only today I noticed your blurb says you be 52 cycles alive.

I had you pegged for 30 tops. Mostly your style. You are still a kid - my baby brotrher is older than you, the one whose arm I broke. Just not as much a kid as you seem.

I am totally underwhelmed by that.

ruveyn