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04 Dec 2011, 12:14 pm

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Like I said:

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Eventually, if you throw enough garbage bags in front of a car driving down the road, the car will stop out of necessity. And so will Herman's campaign if they keep throwing enough garbage at him. ...
b.s. wins.


Wouldn't surprise me if these were just trumped up accusations from the Obama Campaign cause Herman Cain would defuse the only argument Obama has left.


Axelrod's fingerprints are all over it.

Excellent summary by lawyer Ann Coulter of the entire situation: http://www.anncoulter.com

The only thing I had a problem with was not telling his wife about this friend, and, particularly, the frequent giving of money to said friend.
Then again, there are things which can better qualify such: Cain's statement that he has lots of friend whom he gives money to, and so many friends, both male and female, that, no, he hasn't mentioned each and every one of their names to his wife, not out of deliberate omission but because of the sheer large number of friends we're talking about here. Again, anywhere you're constantly spending the family's funds (even if you're rich and thus easily have it to spare) should be a matter for both spouses to know about and discuss -- but again, we're not talking about anything near an Obama-scale sin here. No presidential candidate is perfect, so we will wait forever in vain for President Perfect, eschewing every good man or woman who isn't an absolute paragon of lifelong exemplary behavior.


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04 Dec 2011, 12:20 pm

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I find it fascinating that Repugnican voters were perfectly fine with Mr. Cain making passes at white women and groping them. When these revelations came to light, his popularity surged and donations peaked. But, when people found out that, in one case, his groping was successful and brought him to the next level, he had apparently crossed a line and his support evaporated.


You're so funny.


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04 Dec 2011, 2:38 pm

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You're so funny.


Thanks for the great compliment.

I've reflected further upon the Cain conundrum, and here are my perceptions.

1. Under ordinary circumstances, in the Deep South, it would have been a capital offense for a Black man to grope (or otherwise be perceived as innocently flirting with) a White woman (for example, Emmet Till).

2. Herman is quite rich and powerful, and is no ordinary Black man. Even in the Deep South, wealth and power trump race. In the Antebellum South, there were no doubt some free Black slave-owners who owned white slaves as concubines.

3. The groping of the 1990s took place in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area. The women he groped were of a much lower social status than he was. Moreover, Conservatives regard female denizens of Washington to be "Liberal", morally loose, and to welcome groping from rich, powerful men. No problem there. In fact, lower class white women in Washington will be disappointed if they fail to attract the carnal interest of a rich and powerful man.

4. Conservatives only become outraged when an actual law is violated. Groping women of lower social status is not against the law.

5. Herman violated the law when he brought Ginger White with him on trips to other states, to engage in debauchery. Specifically, Herman violated the Mann Act: http://www.pbs.org/unforgivableblacknes ... _text.html

6. Herman's popularity among Conservatives surged when his groping of lower-class White women was revealed, and abruptly plummeted when it came out that he had violated the Mann Act.

Conclusion: don't bring women with you to other states for immoral purposes. Conservatives will never, ever forgive you.



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04 Dec 2011, 3:44 pm

Ah, here we go

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/11/is- ... llegal-map

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According to title 16, chapter 9, section 9 of the Georgia code of criminal conduct, "A married person commits the offense of adultery when he voluntarily has sexual intercourse with a person other than his spouse and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished as for a misdemeanor."


In addition to violating the Mann Act, Herman violated the law in Georgia.

Interesting: by Georgia's definition, Herman committed the offense of adultery, but Ginger did not. So, no wonder she had no qualms about revealing Herman's criminal activities.



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04 Dec 2011, 7:46 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Like I said:

Ragtime wrote:
Eventually, if you throw enough garbage bags in front of a car driving down the road, the car will stop out of necessity. And so will Herman's campaign if they keep throwing enough garbage at him. ...
b.s. wins.


Wouldn't surprise me if these were just trumped up accusations from the Obama Campaign cause Herman Cain would defuse the only argument Obama has left.


And what might that "only argument Obama has left" be?
I gotta tell you, if you're looking for the man on the proverbial white horse to unseat Obama, then you were really stretching it with Cain when it comes to articulateness, and intellect. I doubt just spouting, "Nine, nine, nine," would cut the mustard in a debate, or with the voters.

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04 Dec 2011, 7:59 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Like I said:

Ragtime wrote:
Eventually, if you throw enough garbage bags in front of a car driving down the road, the car will stop out of necessity. And so will Herman's campaign if they keep throwing enough garbage at him. ...
b.s. wins.


Wouldn't surprise me if these were just trumped up accusations from the Obama Campaign cause Herman Cain would defuse the only argument Obama has left.


And what might that "only argument Obama has left" be?
I gotta tell you, if you're looking for the man on the proverbial white horse to unseat Obama, then you were really stretching it with Cain when it comes to articulateness, and intellect. I doubt just spouting, "Nine, nine, nine," would cut the mustard in a debate, or with the voters.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


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04 Dec 2011, 8:23 pm

pandabear wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Like I said:

Ragtime wrote:
Eventually, if you throw enough garbage bags in front of a car driving down the road, the car will stop out of necessity. And so will Herman's campaign if they keep throwing enough garbage at him. ...
b.s. wins.


Wouldn't surprise me if these were just trumped up accusations from the Obama Campaign cause Herman Cain would defuse the only argument Obama has left.


And what might that "only argument Obama has left" be?
I gotta tell you, if you're looking for the man on the proverbial white horse to unseat Obama, then you were really stretching it with Cain when it comes to articulateness, and intellect. I doubt just spouting, "Nine, nine, nine," would cut the mustard in a debate, or with the voters.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


[img][800:1501]http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/121/5/7/Do_Not_Feed_the_Wild_Host_by_LovelyPoison.jpg[/img]


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04 Dec 2011, 10:17 pm

I was actually looking forward to have Cain win the republican race. It was going to be hilarious to have black on black action in the elections. And of course Cain is crazy and a pervert, that's because he is a male republican candidate, a group for which it is a requirement to be a crazy pervert for entry.


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05 Dec 2011, 2:27 am

Typical liberal ideologues, unfortunately they run the mainstream media too.


You guys are claiming that Herman Cain was having an intimate affair with someone when he was suffering from stage IV cancer, had surgeries, and was undergoing chemo.

The idea that he would be in any condition to have had an affair is laughable at best.

Then we have the first lady whom has been caught in a web of lies claiming she didn't know Axelrod, when she lives in the same building as Axelrod. Plus Axelrod was once her lawyer. Furthermore she has a track record of making these claims.

Second woman also has a history of these kind of phony allegations.

Third woman has a similar background and some other interesting charecteristics.

We also found a lawsuit filed by a former business partner, Kimberly Vay, who once sought a "stalking temporary protective order" against Ms. White for "repeated e-mails/texts threatening lawsuit and defamation of character." The case was dismissed; but was followed by a libel lawsuit against Ms. White. A judge entered an order in favor of Kimberly Vay because Ms. White failed to respond to the lawsuit.

When asked why, under those circumstances, her claims against Cain should be believed, White said, “Because I admit it. Whatever happened with Kim happened. Just as there would make no sense for me to come out with these allegations against Herman if it absolutely wasn't true.”

Her attorney, Ed Buckley, says she didn't answer the lawsuit because she didn't know about it, and she thought her business dispute had been settled with negotiations.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wat ... des-stalk/

Now, this reeks of Chicago style politics and is so blatently a smear campaign it's sad that certain people here can't recognize the fact.



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05 Dec 2011, 3:58 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Typical liberal ideologues, unfortunately they run the mainstream media too.


You guys are claiming that Herman Cain was having an intimate affair with someone when he was suffering from stage IV cancer, had surgeries, and was undergoing chemo.

The idea that he would be in any condition to have had an affair is laughable at best.

Then we have the first lady whom has been caught in a web of lies claiming she didn't know Axelrod, when she lives in the same building as Axelrod. Plus Axelrod was once her lawyer. Furthermore she has a track record of making these claims.

Second woman also has a history of these kind of phony allegations.

Third woman has a similar background and some other interesting charecteristics.

We also found a lawsuit filed by a former business partner, Kimberly Vay, who once sought a "stalking temporary protective order" against Ms. White for "repeated e-mails/texts threatening lawsuit and defamation of character." The case was dismissed; but was followed by a libel lawsuit against Ms. White. A judge entered an order in favor of Kimberly Vay because Ms. White failed to respond to the lawsuit.

When asked why, under those circumstances, her claims against Cain should be believed, White said, “Because I admit it. Whatever happened with Kim happened. Just as there would make no sense for me to come out with these allegations against Herman if it absolutely wasn't true.”

Her attorney, Ed Buckley, says she didn't answer the lawsuit because she didn't know about it, and she thought her business dispute had been settled with negotiations.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wat ... des-stalk/

Now, this reeks of Chicago style politics and is so blatently a smear campaign it's sad that certain people here can't recognize the fact.


As I recall, every last one of Cain's women are active Republicans.
That is, with the exception of his wife, who votes Democratic.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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05 Dec 2011, 4:00 am

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Inuyasha wrote:
Typical liberal ideologues, unfortunately they run the mainstream media too.


You guys are claiming that Herman Cain was having an intimate affair with someone when he was suffering from stage IV cancer, had surgeries, and was undergoing chemo.

The idea that he would be in any condition to have had an affair is laughable at best.

Then we have the first lady whom has been caught in a web of lies claiming she didn't know Axelrod, when she lives in the same building as Axelrod. Plus Axelrod was once her lawyer. Furthermore she has a track record of making these claims.

Second woman also has a history of these kind of phony allegations.

Third woman has a similar background and some other interesting charecteristics.

We also found a lawsuit filed by a former business partner, Kimberly Vay, who once sought a "stalking temporary protective order" against Ms. White for "repeated e-mails/texts threatening lawsuit and defamation of character." The case was dismissed; but was followed by a libel lawsuit against Ms. White. A judge entered an order in favor of Kimberly Vay because Ms. White failed to respond to the lawsuit.

When asked why, under those circumstances, her claims against Cain should be believed, White said, “Because I admit it. Whatever happened with Kim happened. Just as there would make no sense for me to come out with these allegations against Herman if it absolutely wasn't true.”

Her attorney, Ed Buckley, says she didn't answer the lawsuit because she didn't know about it, and she thought her business dispute had been settled with negotiations.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wat ... des-stalk/

Now, this reeks of Chicago style politics and is so blatently a smear campaign it's sad that certain people here can't recognize the fact.


As I recall, every last one of Cain's women are active Republicans.
That is, with the exception of his wife, who votes Democratic.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


:roll:

What the left-wing drive by media report and what is actually reality are typically two different things, especially these days.



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05 Dec 2011, 4:11 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Typical liberal ideologues, unfortunately they run the mainstream media too.


You guys are claiming that Herman Cain was having an intimate affair with someone when he was suffering from stage IV cancer, had surgeries, and was undergoing chemo.

The idea that he would be in any condition to have had an affair is laughable at best.

Then we have the first lady whom has been caught in a web of lies claiming she didn't know Axelrod, when she lives in the same building as Axelrod. Plus Axelrod was once her lawyer. Furthermore she has a track record of making these claims.

Second woman also has a history of these kind of phony allegations.

Third woman has a similar background and some other interesting charecteristics.

We also found a lawsuit filed by a former business partner, Kimberly Vay, who once sought a "stalking temporary protective order" against Ms. White for "repeated e-mails/texts threatening lawsuit and defamation of character." The case was dismissed; but was followed by a libel lawsuit against Ms. White. A judge entered an order in favor of Kimberly Vay because Ms. White failed to respond to the lawsuit.

When asked why, under those circumstances, her claims against Cain should be believed, White said, “Because I admit it. Whatever happened with Kim happened. Just as there would make no sense for me to come out with these allegations against Herman if it absolutely wasn't true.”

Her attorney, Ed Buckley, says she didn't answer the lawsuit because she didn't know about it, and she thought her business dispute had been settled with negotiations.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wat ... des-stalk/

Now, this reeks of Chicago style politics and is so blatently a smear campaign it's sad that certain people here can't recognize the fact.


As I recall, every last one of Cain's women are active Republicans.
That is, with the exception of his wife, who votes Democratic.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


:roll:

What the left-wing drive by media report and what is actually reality are typically two different things, especially these days.


Do you have any evidence that contradicts any of this?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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05 Dec 2011, 8:52 am

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As I recall, every last one of Cain's women are active Republicans.
That is, with the exception of his wife, who votes Democratic.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Ah, so that explains why Herman was fornicating around.



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05 Dec 2011, 9:04 am

Inuyasha wrote:
You guys are claiming that Herman Cain was having an intimate affair with someone when he was suffering from stage IV cancer, had surgeries, and was undergoing chemo.

:roll: No. We're claiming that his 13-year on-again-off-again affair went on a temporary hiatus.

Inuyasha wrote:
The idea that he would be in any condition to have had an affair is laughable at best.

:roll: We're glad that you've finally found something to laugh about.

Inuyasha wrote:
Then we have the first lady whom has been caught in a web of lies claiming she didn't know Axelrod, when she lives in the same building as Axelrod. Plus Axelrod was once her lawyer. Furthermore she has a track record of making these claims.

:roll: Completely irrelevant.

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Second woman also has a history of these kind of phony allegations.

:roll: Completely irrelevant.

Inuyasha wrote:
Third woman has a similar background and some other interesting charecteristics..

:roll: Completely irrelevant.

Inuyasha wrote:
We also found a lawsuit filed by a former business partner, Kimberly Vay, who once sought a "stalking temporary protective order" against Ms. White for "repeated e-mails/texts threatening lawsuit and defamation of character." The case was dismissed; but was followed by a libel lawsuit against Ms. White. A judge entered an order in favor of Kimberly Vay because Ms. White failed to respond to the lawsuit.

When asked why, under those circumstances, her claims against Cain should be believed, White said, “Because I admit it. Whatever happened with Kim happened. Just as there would make no sense for me to come out with these allegations against Herman if it absolutely wasn't true.”

Her attorney, Ed Buckley, says she didn't answer the lawsuit because she didn't know about it, and she thought her business dispute had been settled with negotiations.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wat ... des-stalk/.

:roll: Completely irrelevant.

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Now, this reeks of Chicago style politics and is so blatently a smear campaign it's sad that certain people here can't recognize the fact.

:roll: Chicago had nothing to do with this. The gropings occurred in Virginia, and the adultery, as defined by Georgia law, occurred in Georgia.

Grow up already!



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05 Dec 2011, 9:20 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Typical liberal ideologues, unfortunately they run the mainstream media too.


You guys are claiming that Herman Cain was having an intimate affair with someone when he was suffering from stage IV cancer, had surgeries, and was undergoing chemo.

HE WAS SUFFERING CANCER!!11.

It is a dumb assumption to think that it would completely remove his drives for companionship or sex. In fact, the emotional crisis sounds like something that would make an affair or an addiction more likely.

If it was so impossible for him to have had an affair, I wonder why he quit the race...


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