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05 Dec 2011, 11:50 pm

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Hm. I guess you can call me Bill the Barbarian! :lol:

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You are a perfectly nice fellow who is promoting theft in the name of goodness. Unfortunately for the nation, there are many perfectly decent folk who are undoing themselves and all around them by the goodness in their hearts. The problem with You People is that you don't know You are the Problem.

Or you don't care to know.

Do you remember what the Road to Hell is paved with? Sure you do.

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05 Dec 2011, 11:52 pm

I'd rather be a thief and steal from the rich to give to the poor than a murderer who would let an unemployed worker starve to death because he couldn't find a job.



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05 Dec 2011, 11:57 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Hm. I guess you can call me Bill the Barbarian! :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You are a perfectly nice fellow who is promoting theft in the name of goodness. Unfortunately for the nation, there are many perfectly decent folk who are undoing themselves and all around them by the goodness in their hearts. The problem with You People is that you don't know You are the Problem.

Or you don't care to know.

Do you remember what the Road to Hell is paved with? Sure you do.

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Well, at least you think I'm "a perfectly nice fellow." I am genuinely touched (no sarcasm).

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06 Dec 2011, 12:04 am

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I'd rather be a thief and steal from the rich to give to the poor than a murderer who would let an unemployed worker starve to death because he couldn't find a job.


You have confused omission and commission once again. Allowing someone to die is not the same as killing them, unless you had a contractual obligation to attempt to prevent their death.

This is a very common error. It is almost a category error.

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06 Dec 2011, 12:21 am

ruveyn wrote:
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I'd rather be a thief and steal from the rich to give to the poor than a murderer who would let an unemployed worker starve to death because he couldn't find a job.


You have confused omission and commission once again. Allowing someone to die is not the same as killing them, unless you had a contractual obligation to attempt to prevent their death.

This is a very common error. It is almost a category error.

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Allowing someone to die when it's in your power to help them might as well be murder. At the very least, it makes the one who refuses to give help a cold hearted bastard.

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06 Dec 2011, 12:28 am

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Allowing someone to die when it's in your power to help them might as well be murder. At the very least, it makes the one who refuses to give help a cold hearted bastard.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Murder is a criminal act. Negligence or failure to perform a contractually required act is a tort. Being a cold hearted bastard is neither of these. One is not required to be Good. One is required not to do evil.

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06 Dec 2011, 12:41 am

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Allowing someone to die when it's in your power to help them might as well be murder. At the very least, it makes the one who refuses to give help a cold hearted bastard.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Murder is a criminal act. Negligence or failure to perform a contractually required act is a tort. Being a cold hearted bastard is neither of these. One is not required to be Good. One is required not to do evil.

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Both Judaism and Christianity call for us not only to do good, but also to do no evil. And both condemn inaction when being good is called for.

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06 Dec 2011, 3:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Allowing someone to die when it's in your power to help them might as well be murder. At the very least, it makes the one who refuses to give help a cold hearted bastard.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Murder is a criminal act. Negligence or failure to perform a contractually required act is a tort. Being a cold hearted bastard is neither of these. One is not required to be Good. One is required not to do evil.

ruveyn


Both Judaism and Christianity call for us not only to do good, but also to do no evil. And both condemn inaction when being good is called for.

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Judaism and Christianity tend to frown on people stealing, Kraichgauer.



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06 Dec 2011, 3:24 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Allowing someone to die when it's in your power to help them might as well be murder. At the very least, it makes the one who refuses to give help a cold hearted bastard.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Murder is a criminal act. Negligence or failure to perform a contractually required act is a tort. Being a cold hearted bastard is neither of these. One is not required to be Good. One is required not to do evil.

ruveyn


Both Judaism and Christianity call for us not only to do good, but also to do no evil. And both condemn inaction when being good is called for.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Judaism and Christianity tend to frown on people stealing, Kraichgauer.


Uhhh... You have to refresh my memory as to when I'd say something insane like that it's okay to steal.

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06 Dec 2011, 9:03 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Allowing someone to die when it's in your power to help them might as well be murder. At the very least, it makes the one who refuses to give help a cold hearted bastard.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Murder is a criminal act. Negligence or failure to perform a contractually required act is a tort. Being a cold hearted bastard is neither of these. One is not required to be Good. One is required not to do evil.

ruveyn


Both Judaism and Christianity call for us not only to do good, but also to do no evil. And both condemn inaction when being good is called for.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Judaism and Christianity tend to frown on people stealing, Kraichgauer.


Actual Judaism and Christianity tend to frown on greed and favor social justice.

Quote:
Jesus and the rich young man (also called Jesus and the rich young ruler) is an episode in the life of Jesus in the New Testament that deals with eternal life.[1][2] It appears in the Gospel of Matthew 19:16–30, the Gospel of Mark 10:17–31 and the Gospel of Luke 18:18–30.

In the Gospel of Matthew, a rich young man asks Jesus what actions bring eternal life. First Jesus advises the man to obey the commandments. When the man responds that he already observes them, Jesus adds:

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.[3]

The Gospel of Luke has a similar episode and states that:

When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."[4]

The disciples then ask Jesus who then can be saved, and Jesus replies: "What is impossible with men is possible with God."

This parable relates the term eternal life to entry into the Kingdom of God.[5] The parable starts by a question to Jesus about "eternal life" and Jesus then refers to entry into the "Kingdom of God" in the same context.[5][6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_ ... _young_man

when Jesus talks about the rich it's just code for small business owners... :roll:


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06 Dec 2011, 9:58 am

ruveyn wrote:
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That would be fine, if I had any money.

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The difference between a savage and a civilized person is knowing the distinction between MINE and THINE. Collectivist savages consider everything OURS. There is no OURS. There Yours, Mine and the Other Fellow's stuff. By rights all assets should be private, not collective..

The Welfare State is a construct of the savage collectivist brute who cannot tell the difference between what belongs to him and what belongs to others.

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then again through so much of "civilized history" that has not excactly been the case, including what you made your money from most likely.
in essence i dont think humans can make claim to anything but their own skill, materials are a common good.


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06 Dec 2011, 11:14 am

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then again through so much of "civilized history" that has not excactly been the case, including what you made your money from most likely.
in essence i dont think humans can make claim to anything but their own skill, materials are a common good.


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06 Dec 2011, 12:44 pm

Land reform is not stealing.



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06 Dec 2011, 12:44 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Oodain wrote:
then again through so much of "civilized history" that has not excactly been the case, including what you made your money from most likely.
in essence i dont think humans can make claim to anything but their own skill, materials are a common good.


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correct, still doesnt do anything to my previous point though.


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