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15 Feb 2012, 11:52 pm

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Sex is good. Is that a fact or an opinion? It's neither. It's a truth.

"Sex is good" is an opinion, even according to your holy book.

Gay sex is still sex, and according to your religion anyone who practices gay sex should be killed. :wink:

So, bacteria and plants can have opinions? "Good" is not merely an opinion. A successful way of reproduction can be defined as good without opinion. You could have a good meal, whether or not it tastes good. If it makes you healthy that's good, and that's truth and a fact.

A successful way of reproduction can be defined as reproductively successful, nothing more and nothing less.

Bacteria and plants have no concept of "good". They lack the neurological facilities to make such subjective judgements. Besides, do you find it good when pathogenic bacteria reproduce inside a human host?

Bacteria reproduce asexually btw, through a cell division process called binary fission. Some plants reproduce asexually as well (through vegetative propagation).

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16 Feb 2012, 1:24 am

CrazyCatLord wrote:

cw10 wrote:

abacacus wrote:

cw10 wrote:

Sex is good. Is that a fact or an opinion? It's neither. It's a truth.

"Sex is good" is an opinion, even according to your holy book.

Gay sex is still sex, and according to your religion anyone who practices gay sex should be killed. :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilus

Some bacteria don't reproduce asexually btw. Good is not just an opinion. If you follow a good route home, and repeat the process, it becomes fact. The fact is, it's a good route. That's a fact.

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16 Feb 2012, 2:25 am

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Are facts always facts? Truths are always truths.

Do you always obfuscate or do you actually have a point in contributing to this thread? All you've done is derail it with an irrelevant line of discussion that was pretty easily slapped down

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16 Feb 2012, 2:31 am

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilus

Some bacteria don't reproduce asexually btw.

Bacteria can exchange genetic material, yes. However, this is not how they reproduce. Bacterial "sex" begins and ends with two organisms, it doesn't produce a third organism. This process is only comparable to sexual reproduction insofar that it allows bacteria to mix parts of their genome.

Imagine you were a bacterium. You'd clone yourself through cell division, over and over, until you're surrounded by millions of clones. You don't need any partner for that, but the cloning process is error-prone. One of your clones has a point mutation in its DNA, which makes it more resistant to antibiotics. Yay! Evolution in action!

This mutant clone can now go around and pass its beneficial new gene on to other clones. That's faster and less resource-intensive than cell division and allows for the rapid evolution of new, more resilient bacteria strains. But that's not quite the same as two sexually dimorphic organisms creating a third organism by combining their DNA. Bacteria don't do that.

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Good is not just an opinion. If you follow a good route home, and repeat the process, it becomes fact. The fact is, it's a good route. That's a fact.

What exactly makes the route "good"? Is it the shortest way home? That can indeed be a fact. Distance is measurable and empirically provable, but "good" is not.

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16 Feb 2012, 2:44 am

You're never getting the time it took you to write that well thought out response back, CCL. Which I suspect is exactly what cw10 is relishing

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16 Feb 2012, 3:46 am

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If you want to pursue this line of discussion, you can make a new thread in the forum.

I don't see what this has to do with the original topic. :scratch:

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16 Feb 2012, 3:48 am

Vigilans wrote:

cw10 wrote:

Are facts always facts? Truths are always truths.

Do you always obfuscate or do you actually have a point in contributing to this thread? All you've done is derail it with an irrelevant line of discussion that was pretty easily slapped down

Find Constantinople on the map, fact is you can't. It's no longer a fact. This is truth.

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16 Feb 2012, 3:58 am

cw10 wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

cw10 wrote:

Are facts always facts? Truths are always truths.

Do you always obfuscate or do you actually have a point in contributing to this thread? All you've done is derail it with an irrelevant line of discussion that was pretty easily slapped down

Find Constantinople on the map, fact is you can't. It's no longer a fact. This is truth.

Please try to keep this thread on topic. If you continue like this, I will have to lock the thread, which will be a shame as the OP made an interesting point.

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16 Feb 2012, 4:10 am

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cw10 wrote:

If you want to pursue this line of discussion, you can make a new thread in the forum.

I don't see what this has to do with the original topic. :scratch:

Facts can change. Truth does not. I find congruence with OP. One can go on a "fact finding mission" to pursue "God", however facts can change and lead you astray from the truth. What is good can define facts and be facts. What is bad can define inventions or inconsistencies, e.g. bad information. The opposite of truth is falsehood or untruth for example, however there really isn't a distinct opposite of fact, it falls into the category of lie or invention, which shares some of the definition of the opposite of truth, so therefor there's no clear distinction.

There are truths and there are facts, and the opposites of the 2, however it seems to me there's no direct comparison. There are truths and falsehoods that can never be challenged because they are held to be true or false no matter what, however facts are in a state of flux, and have no direct opposing side.

When one looks for a deity, one looks for confirmation of truths, not verification of facts because facts can be lost or changed or hidden.

There, does that answer your question?

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16 Feb 2012, 4:15 am

"One looks for confirmation of truths" just proves my point further. You have already made up your mind and everything else you see will be interpreted to fit this self confirming intellectual dead end.

Oh and, the "opposite" of facts, is called BS