[POLL] Where are you politically?

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f**k s**t up, party, make some noise, and overthrow the government. THAT is my political stance.

Green with a dash of Anarchist.

I voted mixture of a few. I'd like to get rid of politics altogether. Politics is evil.

The role of the government should to be solve problems objectively, not to play games or act like they like to eat grits, or gain votes by claiming to be a fundamentalist. This stuff makes me want to barf.

I don't have any party. I just try to look at the facts.

Sadly, many are swayed by "religious conviction," or by playing up to regionalism (though Romney sure fell on his face doing it).

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

My original point. That a country needs to be able to protect its territory (both metropolitan and dependent) from hostile foreign powers.

I know. It annoys me when the military poke their noses in the middle east's problems and cause more problems for them, the news rarely mentions the large amounts of deaths from the other side but only reports on the 2 or 3 deaths we've had in the past few months.

But you agree that we need a strong and military in order to defend our own lives and land?

The Armed Forces go where the politicians send them.

ruveyn

I was talking specifically about the Falklands.

The Falklands is British territory, the people on it are British and have no wish to be anything else. Therefore, we protect what's ours. Same with Gibraltar.

The few thousand people on the island are British, you mean. And per Wikipedia, that is not even true, even though I expect the local population is satisfied to be in a regime that basically ships free money there. It is no less of a colony, and I don't see why it would be worth "defending", strategically, as the whole purpose of that island was to defend now unneeded sea lanes for a now nearly extinct Empire.

They wish to remain British. All of them. They might not all be ethnically from the UK - the ethnic makeup of the Falklands, like Gibraltar, is somewhat diverse - but they all hold British citizenship. Many can trace their lineage back hundreds of years. It's their home.

Island? Whoops! You haven't done your research. There are at least two large islands in the Falklands - West Falkland and East Falkland.



Doesn't apply in the case of the Falkland Islands. The territory is self-sufficient and is self-governing; most of the money the UK provides for the islands is for their defence. And who are they defending the islands from? Argentina.

It would be nice if some of the Argentines actually went and visited the islands. I would like to visit them myself.



It's not a colony - it's a self-governing overseas territory of the UK. The islands were taken fairly and squarely in the 1830s and have been ours ever since (apart from the 1982 invasion). The Falkland Islanders govern themselves with help from the UK. They're very happy with this arrangement.



Because it's our territory and the people there want to remain with us. Simple as that.

The Argentine position is far, far more "colonialist" than the British one ever was.

I know that actually, I more precisely forgot in the context of writing the sentence. But it is still a slip on my part, so I concede the point.

Actually, you would have done better contesting the "not British" bit, since I now remember that the island was not habited before the Europeans arrived, and these Europeans were mostly British. Of course, they are now long emigrated British, and no more British that Canadians, but still, it is arguable, depending on one's definition. After all, some Canadians claim their Irish heritage strongly too.


Yes, exactly. Free money.


There are many names for similar concepts. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe colonies are necessarly bad, even though I used the term with a slight pejorative overtone.

Of course they are happy. Happiness with the arrangement was not something I mentioned. I never said the people there were unhappy, I even said I expected the opposite. Some colonies are or were happy to be colonies. Technically, I don't see why the British would be happy with it, because they gain nothing from it. I would have sold them way back before anyone thought of invading anything.

I don't believe Argentina have more rightful claims to the islands, but I don't like the idea of "rightful claims" either.


Whose territory does not go into it, although their will does, although the "our" conflicts with the "not a colony" bit. Argentina's being at least as wrong as GB is not involved either.

In any case, I don't see why it will be worth arguing about this. We won't convince each other. We should agree to disagree right away, because I don't care enough about the Falklands to talk about them more than I already did.

Last edited by enrico_dandolo on 15 Mar 2012, 11:51 am, edited 1 time in total.

OK, fair enough.

i am an Extreme Conservative Libertarian

i had to create my own political party because i dont agree with any of them, i am a Strict Constitutionalist Jeffersonian Democratic Republican Libertarian

I did not do the poll because i dont know what it all means but i normally vote on a right side party.