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05 Jun 2012, 11:02 am

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And how does that grant us any kind of moral right over the remainder of the planet?


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That is the argument of "Might makes right." It you can do what you want because you have the guns to back it up. There is nothing moral about it.


And what is morality? Just judgement and opinion. There are no moral facts.

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05 Jun 2012, 11:05 am

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A new problem I have is a lack of animal rights in America.
Schools being underfunded.
The fact that corperations hire immagrants and never get in trouble for doing so.


Are you kidding? The per pupil outlay in public schools is twice what it is in Europe. The problems is we are not getting our money's worth.

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05 Jun 2012, 11:09 am

I haven't analysed why, but Israelies (some, not all) can be extremely vapid and consider thought almost an offence. I think it's worse coming from Askenazis (whites) who claim to be more intelligent than non-Askenazis.


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05 Jun 2012, 11:16 am

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Clearly manors and compassion are leftist concepts and should be discouraged. To hell with all of you if you get in may way I will run you over. I say those things in jest. But once again let me quote Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

Compassion and $3.67 will buy you a medium coffee and an old fashioned dough nut at the local dough nut shop.
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if one is short of compassion, then it may be overlooked, and the coffee and doughnut may still be obtained, yet if one has a full purse of compassion but is short by just $0.01 , then the goods will not be released.



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05 Jun 2012, 11:44 am

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Clearly manors and compassion are leftist concepts and should be discouraged. To hell with all of you if you get in may way I will run you over. I say those things in jest. But once again let me quote Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

Compassion and $3.67 will buy you a medium coffee and an old fashioned dough nut at the local dough nut shop.
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if one is short of compassion, then it may be overlooked, and the coffee and doughnut may still be obtained, yet if one has a full purse of compassion but is short by just $0.01 , then the goods will not be released.


...for the dough nut shop owners kids cannot eat compassion,



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05 Jun 2012, 11:55 am

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I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.


-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You believe that person A should be taxed to benefit person B against the will of A. Whoever does the taxing is a tyrant and he make B an accomplice.

If a private party did that you would be calling the police. If the government does that you are overflowing with fulsome praise.

Taking from A to give to B against the will of A is theft simpliciter (I seem to remember a Commandment that pertains here). Somehow you are willing to overlook this if the theft is legal.

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Yup it is perfectly legal for taxes to be paid by taxpayers and have that money go towards helping the public. Taxation is perfectly legal in this country, theft isn't but of course taxation is not theft. If you think taxation is theft go find a country with no taxes or social safety network...then you can talk their ears off about this terrible place were people pay taxes and sometimes those taxes go to helping provide food, housing and healthcare for those less forutunate who can't afford it on their own. I am sure they'd be horrified.


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05 Jun 2012, 11:57 am

oh crap, nevermind...


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05 Jun 2012, 11:59 am

US - Southern California: Everything seems to be constructed around the need to travel by car, sometimes long distances, even to get to one's job. We need a concerted effort to bring jobs closer to where people live and to improve public transportation even in rural areas.



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05 Jun 2012, 12:07 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.


-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You believe that person A should be taxed to benefit person B against the will of A. Whoever does the taxing is a tyrant and he make B an accomplice.

If a private party did that you would be calling the police. If the government does that you are overflowing with fulsome praise.

Taking from A to give to B against the will of A is theft simpliciter (I seem to remember a Commandment that pertains here). Somehow you are willing to overlook this if the theft is legal.

ruveyn


Yup it is perfectly legal for taxes to be paid by taxpayers and have that money go towards helping the public. Taxation is perfectly legal in this country, theft isn't but of course taxation is not theft. If you think taxation is theft go find a country with no taxes or social safety network...then you can talk their ears off about this terrible place were people pay taxes and sometimes those taxes go to helping provide food, housing and healthcare for those less forutunate who can't afford it on their own. I am sure they'd be horrified.


Sweet! I'm starting my own gov't so I can go tax the f**k out of everyone I meet. Who wants to be first?

In all seriousness, the act of taxation is the same as the act of theft; only the actors are changed.



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05 Jun 2012, 12:16 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.


-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You believe that person A should be taxed to benefit person B against the will of A. Whoever does the taxing is a tyrant and he make B an accomplice.

If a private party did that you would be calling the police. If the government does that you are overflowing with fulsome praise.

Taking from A to give to B against the will of A is theft simpliciter (I seem to remember a Commandment that pertains here). Somehow you are willing to overlook this if the theft is legal.

ruveyn


Yup it is perfectly legal for taxes to be paid by taxpayers and have that money go towards helping the public. Taxation is perfectly legal in this country, theft isn't but of course taxation is not theft. If you think taxation is theft go find a country with no taxes or social safety network...then you can talk their ears off about this terrible place were people pay taxes and sometimes those taxes go to helping provide food, housing and healthcare for those less forutunate who can't afford it on their own. I am sure they'd be horrified.


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It's not paying taxes I have issues with but how that money is spent AND what the role of government should be....



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05 Jun 2012, 12:19 pm

JWC wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.


-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You believe that person A should be taxed to benefit person B against the will of A. Whoever does the taxing is a tyrant and he make B an accomplice.

If a private party did that you would be calling the police. If the government does that you are overflowing with fulsome praise.

Taking from A to give to B against the will of A is theft simpliciter (I seem to remember a Commandment that pertains here). Somehow you are willing to overlook this if the theft is legal.

ruveyn


Yup it is perfectly legal for taxes to be paid by taxpayers and have that money go towards helping the public. Taxation is perfectly legal in this country, theft isn't but of course taxation is not theft. If you think taxation is theft go find a country with no taxes or social safety network...then you can talk their ears off about this terrible place were people pay taxes and sometimes those taxes go to helping provide food, housing and healthcare for those less forutunate who can't afford it on their own. I am sure they'd be horrified.


Sweet! I'm starting my own gov't so I can go tax the f**k out of everyone I meet. Who wants to be first?

In all seriousness, the act of taxation is the same as the act of theft; only the actors are changed.


ok so what then is your point? I guess if you and ruven are stuck on it being theft then fine it's theft and in that context I agree with theft than. So now that, that's settled what is it you're actually trying to get at? that it is wrong for the government to tax the citizens...or you just don't want the money used for a social safety network?


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05 Jun 2012, 12:21 pm

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05 Jun 2012, 12:21 pm

Raptor wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.


-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You believe that person A should be taxed to benefit person B against the will of A. Whoever does the taxing is a tyrant and he make B an accomplice.

If a private party did that you would be calling the police. If the government does that you are overflowing with fulsome praise.

Taking from A to give to B against the will of A is theft simpliciter (I seem to remember a Commandment that pertains here). Somehow you are willing to overlook this if the theft is legal.

ruveyn


Yup it is perfectly legal for taxes to be paid by taxpayers and have that money go towards helping the public. Taxation is perfectly legal in this country, theft isn't but of course taxation is not theft. If you think taxation is theft go find a country with no taxes or social safety network...then you can talk their ears off about this terrible place were people pay taxes and sometimes those taxes go to helping provide food, housing and healthcare for those less forutunate who can't afford it on their own. I am sure they'd be horrified.


:roll:
It's not paying taxes I have issues with but how that money is spent AND what the role of government should be....


Ok how do you think the money should be spent? more prisons and maybe some extermination camps for the poor and disabled?


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05 Jun 2012, 12:23 pm

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And what is morality? Just judgement and opinion. There are no moral facts.
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If there are no moral facts then stop your goddamned whining about taxes being "theft". Everyone knows what your opinion is and those who disagree simply do not care what you think.



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05 Jun 2012, 12:32 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.


-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You believe that person A should be taxed to benefit person B against the will of A. Whoever does the taxing is a tyrant and he make B an accomplice.

If a private party did that you would be calling the police. If the government does that you are overflowing with fulsome praise.

Taking from A to give to B against the will of A is theft simpliciter (I seem to remember a Commandment that pertains here). Somehow you are willing to overlook this if the theft is legal.

ruveyn


Yup it is perfectly legal for taxes to be paid by taxpayers and have that money go towards helping the public. Taxation is perfectly legal in this country, theft isn't but of course taxation is not theft. If you think taxation is theft go find a country with no taxes or social safety network...then you can talk their ears off about this terrible place were people pay taxes and sometimes those taxes go to helping provide food, housing and healthcare for those less forutunate who can't afford it on their own. I am sure they'd be horrified.


:roll:
It's not paying taxes I have issues with but how that money is spent AND what the role of government should be....


Ok how do you think the money should be spent? more prisons and maybe some extermination camps for the poor and disabled?


Thieving off the rich is good as long as that money goes towards killing people rather than helping people.



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05 Jun 2012, 12:35 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.


-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You believe that person A should be taxed to benefit person B against the will of A. Whoever does the taxing is a tyrant and he make B an accomplice.

If a private party did that you would be calling the police. If the government does that you are overflowing with fulsome praise.

Taking from A to give to B against the will of A is theft simpliciter (I seem to remember a Commandment that pertains here). Somehow you are willing to overlook this if the theft is legal.

ruveyn


Yup it is perfectly legal for taxes to be paid by taxpayers and have that money go towards helping the public. Taxation is perfectly legal in this country, theft isn't but of course taxation is not theft. If you think taxation is theft go find a country with no taxes or social safety network...then you can talk their ears off about this terrible place were people pay taxes and sometimes those taxes go to helping provide food, housing and healthcare for those less forutunate who can't afford it on their own. I am sure they'd be horrified.


:roll:
It's not paying taxes I have issues with but how that money is spent AND what the role of government should be....


Ok how do you think the money should be spent? more prisons and maybe some extermination camps for the poor and disabled?


How about paying off our national debts and workin toward a balanced budget?

BTW, talk of extermination camps only exites me.