Ronald Reagan: Hero? or Villain?

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15 Jun 2012, 2:37 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

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Ronald Reagan wrote:

They were victims, just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps

Incidentally, as the SS "men" interned at Bitburg were only teens, I'll give Reagan this one, and concede that the two kids had been the victims of an evil ideology that had brainwashed them.

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Even so, there were never victims "just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps."

A number of them probably relished the idea of killing Jews and other targets of Nazi persecution, and viewed themselves as heroic and patriotic. Probably very few concentration camp inmates relished their victimization.

Absolutely.

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15 Jun 2012, 7:53 pm

From a wikipedia article what he said:
Reagan's Bitburg visit

"These [SS troops] were the villains, as we know, that conducted the persecutions and all. But there are 2,000 graves there, and most of those, the average age is about 18. I think that there's nothing wrong with visiting that cemetery where those young men are victims of Nazism also, even though they were fighting in the German uniform, drafted into service to carry out the hateful wishes of the Nazis. They were victims, just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps"[4]

It was in 1985. I think 27 years is enough time to get over it, not that there was ever really anything to get over.
What it all boils down to is Ronald Reagan was very anti-communist and this is what drives all this anti-Reagan rhetoric from the left. It couldn't be any more clear...........

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15 Jun 2012, 9:19 pm

Raptor wrote:

From a wikipedia article what he said:
Reagan's Bitburg visit

"These [SS troops] were the villains, as we know, that conducted the persecutions and all. But there are 2,000 graves there, and most of those, the average age is about 18. I think that there's nothing wrong with visiting that cemetery where those young men are victims of Nazism also, even though they were fighting in the German uniform, drafted into service to carry out the hateful wishes of the Nazis. They were victims, just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps"[4]

It was in 1985. I think 27 years is enough time to get over it, not that there was ever really anything to get over.
What it all boils down to is Ronald Reagan was very anti-communist and this is what drives all this anti-Reagan rhetoric from the left. It couldn't be any more clear...........

The Holocaust, nothing to get over?!?!?!?!?!?

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15 Jun 2012, 11:05 pm

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You really are buying into your own right wing rhetoric, aren't you? Americans of a leftist bent are hardly communists. If we dislike Reagan, it's because he had breathed new life into the plutocratic, social Darwinist ideology of the current Republican party, with all its heartlessness toward those in need.

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15 Jun 2012, 11:52 pm

Ronald Reagan loved to blame the victim.

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15 Jun 2012, 11:54 pm

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Ronald Reagan loved to blame the victim.

Yes, and that's become the mantra of the right ever since.

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15 Jun 2012, 11:59 pm

Reagan said " The poor are poor because they want to be poor. So don't help them"

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16 Jun 2012, 12:02 am

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Reagan said " The poor are poor because they want to be poor. So don't help them"

Really? He said that? What an assmunch!

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16 Jun 2012, 12:23 am

"The best way to help the poor is not to help them"

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16 Jun 2012, 12:26 am

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"The best way to help the poor is not to help them"

Still makes him an assmunch.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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16 Jun 2012, 2:13 am

His administration funded Saddam Hussein, the Contras, El Salvadorian death squads, bin Laden, etc, so yes, he is a villain.

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16 Jun 2012, 2:20 am

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His administration funded Saddam Hussein, the Contras, El Salvadorian death squads, bin Laden, etc, so yes, he is a villain.

Good point.

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16 Jun 2012, 6:55 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

Raptor wrote:

From a wikipedia article what he said:
Reagan's Bitburg visit

"These [SS troops] were the villains, as we know, that conducted the persecutions and all. But there are 2,000 graves there, and most of those, the average age is about 18. I think that there's nothing wrong with visiting that cemetery where those young men are victims of Nazism also, even though they were fighting in the German uniform, drafted into service to carry out the hateful wishes of the Nazis. They were victims, just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps"[4]

It was in 1985. I think 27 years is enough time to get over it, not that there was ever really anything to get over.
What it all boils down to is Ronald Reagan was very anti-communist and this is what drives all this anti-Reagan rhetoric from the left. It couldn't be any more clear...........

The Holocaust, nothing to get over?!?!?!?!?!?

I was, of course, talking about Reagan's trip to Bitburg which IS something to get over.
Using the Holocaust as a political ploy is pretty low.......

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16 Jun 2012, 9:02 am

Raptor wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

Raptor wrote:

From a wikipedia article what he said:
Reagan's Bitburg visit

"These [SS troops] were the villains, as we know, that conducted the persecutions and all. But there are 2,000 graves there, and most of those, the average age is about 18. I think that there's nothing wrong with visiting that cemetery where those young men are victims of Nazism also, even though they were fighting in the German uniform, drafted into service to carry out the hateful wishes of the Nazis. They were victims, just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps"[4]

It was in 1985. I think 27 years is enough time to get over it, not that there was ever really anything to get over.
What it all boils down to is Ronald Reagan was very anti-communist and this is what drives all this anti-Reagan rhetoric from the left. It couldn't be any more clear...........

The Holocaust, nothing to get over?!?!?!?!?!?

I was, of course, talking about Reagan's trip to Bitburg which IS something to get over.
Using the Holocaust as a political ploy is pretty low.......

...and, that is what Ronald Reagan was doing...using the Holocaust as a political ploy. Very, very low.

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16 Jun 2012, 9:35 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

Raptor wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

Raptor wrote:

From a wikipedia article what he said:
Reagan's Bitburg visit

"These [SS troops] were the villains, as we know, that conducted the persecutions and all. But there are 2,000 graves there, and most of those, the average age is about 18. I think that there's nothing wrong with visiting that cemetery where those young men are victims of Nazism also, even though they were fighting in the German uniform, drafted into service to carry out the hateful wishes of the Nazis. They were victims, just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps"[4]

It was in 1985. I think 27 years is enough time to get over it, not that there was ever really anything to get over.
What it all boils down to is Ronald Reagan was very anti-communist and this is what drives all this anti-Reagan rhetoric from the left. It couldn't be any more clear...........

The Holocaust, nothing to get over?!?!?!?!?!?

I was, of course, talking about Reagan's trip to Bitburg which IS something to get over.
Using the Holocaust as a political ploy is pretty low.......

...and, that is what Ronald Reagan was doing...using the Holocaust as a political ploy. Very, very low.

Nice try but I'm afraid not.
Hell, that wasn't even what I'd call a nice try but one of desperation on your part...... :roll:

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16 Jun 2012, 9:40 am

ronald reagan is dead.

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