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What's your evidence for claim #2? And yes, I am aware of how the Saudi government exports terrorism to preserve stability in their own country and maintain their power.

I am aware that there is enormous pressure being applied against western civilization but the West simply cannot play the innocent victim in light of its long history of global involvement and dominance. And certain things about our western way of doing things are going to HAVE to change: Like the way western economies are run.

I never made a claim of actually having evidence. That is why I used the word "may". But the partition of India in 1947 (and the founding of Pakistan) is considered by some to have resulted in 500,000 casualties. Who's responsible for what is an entirely different story, however.
http://necrometrics.com/20c300k.htm



True, but in what direction? The strategy of the Bush Administration to introduce democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan hasn't exactly been a box office hit. Obama's complete disregard for UN resolutions and international law using targeted assassinations (drones, DEVGRU, etc.) has - so far, at least - been quite successful at keeping Islamic terrorism at bay. So perhaps the way of doing things is to stop playing nice.

I believe that we should defeat them through outrage exhaustion. We should relentlessly carpet bomb them with hardcare (but tasteful) pornography, Bacon, sampler bottles of whiskey and vodka, and pictures of Mohammed giving a rusty trombone to an obviously angry camel.

I figure after a year they'll just be so tired from constant agitation that they'll just not have enough energy to be themselves anymore.

It could be that most other "groups" decided that by doing so they are creating a negative image of themselves as .... a**holes.

I haven't done a sociological experiment, made a statistic with a suitable and varied sample group, or anything empirical, but maybe Muslims just have a much more fragile self-image or sense of being powerless. I mean, they can't "gat ya" like the African American, buy your house and kick you out while sipping tea like the white guy. Design fiberoptics then get molested with chopsticks by a Dominatrix like the Asian or stab you like Jose Maria. They can't have you "fixed" like the Italian, swindle you for all your money like the jew, rape your kids like the catholic or force you to listen to techno like the German.

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All I saw in that second video was a woman being arrested for destroying an inciteful, racist billboard. Its telling that those cops were unable/unwilling to tell her what she was being arrested for.

With free speech comes responsibility. Imagine if the billboard had been a KKK billboard saying "support us or you are a race traitor". Now would there have been the same commotion if someone had spraypainted that?

The reality is that the presence of Israel in Palestine is deeply sensitive to 99.99999% of the Islamic world so to equate oppostion to Israel's mandate as 'savagery' while inferring that Jews-Israelis have the monopoly on civility was always going to be inflammatory. The authors of the billboard know that as much as muslims do while they masquerade behind the auspice of free speech.

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Actually, a Danish psychologist, Nicolai Sennels, *did* conduct a study (N=250, although I haven't reviewed the specific methodology) and (unsurprisingly) took a lot of heat for it:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/Nicolai ... fferences/

Nicolai Sennels most certainly has his own political opinions (he is a parliamentary candidate for the Danish People's Party), but my survey of Islamic Scripture has not led me to find any serious fault in his conclusions about Islamic culture. The "locus of control" argument, for instance, makes a lot of sense when reading the countless passages in the Quran where everything is left to the will of Allah...

Note that Sennels' work is endorsed by a Muslim former Danish MP, who adamantly defends democracy and human rights... and, as a result... is under police protection. Why? Well if you reject Sharia, then you are an apostate, and then you must be killed... See my post on page 4 in this thread for references to scripture...



Those... *fiends*!

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Nothing will do more to stem muslim immigration to Europe and elsewhere than a stable and prosperous middle-east. If they develop more robust democratic socities then they'll be better positioned to build those societies. Just as we were.

The locus of control argument kind of goes towards what I was saying about feeling powerless. Or rather, not being the primary influence of the direction one has in life. He said it better though. I seem to remember reading something similar in a study of executive attitudes in various countries, and while C-level executives in Western Countries largely viewed their success as a result of their own actions, Muslim executives viewed it as being due to Allah being on their side.

As your link also states, being able to say "I don't have the power, its all X" lets a person practice a way to never have to take ultimate responsibility for their actions. It becomes a bit like one of the questions in every "are you a psychopath" or "Are you a high mach" that tend to go "Stupid people deserve to be taken advantage of".

This is how backward and brutal Islam is. Muslims in the West themselves often are nothing like the kind of behaviour that the religion encourages (Muslims can be and are often wonderful, tolerant people but that goes against the commands in the book) but the belief system is horrible, mediaeval stuff that is impossible to ignore without committing apostasy.

Islam (the religion, not necessarily the people) is impossible to reconcile with Western notions of freedom, democracy, human rights and liberalism.

Another way of saying it is that Muslims can (and probably will) change, Islam can't.

(Taking your assertions at face value)

As are the wishes of the Conservative party. Guess which is more likely to gain political influence. I'll give you a clue - it's the Conservative party.

There's absolutely nothing "inciteful" or "racist" about it. Only in the minds of bearded Islamic ignoramuses do they find it "racist" or "inciteful".

Unless you're equating jihadists with all Muslims? The meaning of the poster was referring to the "civilised men" (Israel, which, compared to all the other regimes in the Middle East, certainly is civilised) and the "savage" (Palestinians - you know, those large majority of people - including both Palestinian groups - who deny Israel's right to exist, from whose areas of control rockets are fired into Israel every day, killing Israeli civilians, where propaganda on both official Palestinian TV stations call for the killing of Israelis, the praising of "martyrs" and so on, where Hamas calls for the annihilation of Jews - not Israelis - Jews), where a chilling diet of anti-Semitic Nazi-style propaganda is taught to children and put in the newspapers every day).

If you support the Palestinians, you're supporting a population that wants Israel annihilated (and, by extension, Israeli Jews) as that's what most Palestinians themselves want. This is nothing to do with "justice" unless you're a neo-Nazi or a jihadist sympathiser.

All the Palestinians need to do is to remove the death-grip that anti-Semitism and murderous terrorist hatred has on their communities. That would be a massive help to them. They need to dispose of their leaders and shake off their violent tendencies and bring peace. Palestinians who have anything about themselves and wish for a better life, away from all that hatred that's being fostered by their leaders, move away and don't look back.

Also, democracy in Palestine isn't doing all that well. Abbas (the Fatah one, the one that rejects Israel's right to exist and still regularly praises terrorist "martyrdom" - wow, not much different in many respects from Hamas) is in his seventh year of a four year electoral term. Some democracy, ain't it. And even he has lost a huge amount of support against his own people, who see him as being too pro-Israel!



I would have said "criminal damage" or something like it would have been near the mark.

Listen, the best thing that Muslim groups could do in the U.S. is not to engage in hostile acts of vandalism that run counter to free speech. What they should be doing is running their own campaigns, their own billboards, arguing against such viewpoints. They should be promoting a positive vision of Muslims in the U.S. that falls clearly in the U.S. constitution. They should be creative.

Instead, they do what most of them only know - shut down debate that they disagree with and revert to type - vandalism and assault. They really don't do themselves any favours, you know.



The responsibilities have been fully enacted upon in this case.



Another completely hysterical and lunatic comparison that bears absolutely no relevance whatsoever. The billboard is basically saying - in a battle between violent racist murderous jihadist "martyrs" and a democratic, liberal - if imperfect - state with equal rights in law for Arabs and Jews living in it doing its best to defend itself, support the latter. It doesn't mention anything to do with race or the KKK or anything like that. You brought that in. You're bringing in things that have nothing to do with anything in the poster. This is your own projection of what this poster is saying rather than its actual content.



Yes, actually, there probably would be - from free speech advocates. Even those who hate to their very soul the message of the KKK. But, as we know, your comparison is totally ludicrous, hysterical and baseless.



Most of those don't live there and are only told to support the "poor Palestinians" because of the religious angle.

The reason why the Muslims hate the Jews being there is because Muslims see it always as "Muslim land". Muslim land once conquered by Islam must always be dominated by Islam, even if there are large numbers of people there who also have a claim on that land stretching back far, far longer than Islam. It's down to the racist, supremacist political ideology of Islam and nothing to do with Judaism. They can't accept the idea of a Jewish state in an area where Muslims once conquered. (And, yes, they want to take back all the land that was once theirs - they want to dominate the Iberian Peninsula again and so on.)

It's the mindset of Islam that's the problem: Islam is never wrong, it's always someone else's fault. It's the attitude of the perpetual toddler that wants everything.

There are some Muslims (that I've mentioned on this board before) that see past this and see the flaws in that worldview, but these public apostates and critics within Islam (if you will) are routinely threatened, abused, victimised and many have their their very lives in danger. These people are the true hope of Muslims who long for freedom around the world.

It is absolutely inciteful because it was distributed by its creator KNOWING FULL WELL that the vast majority of people of arab and muslim descent sympathise and/or identify with the Palestinian cause.

It is racist because by default it is trying to imply that muslims and arabs are incapable of civility, owing to their sympathy for Palestinians. Us british isles people have a turn of phrase for this sort of thing, its called 's**t stirring'.

If you pretend otherwise you are kidding yourself and you know fine well.

Only the creators of this poster, their political ilk and the useful idiots that apologise for them would concuct such an equation.

Right, whos the one making the sweeping generalisations now.

Secondly if you think that hardcore Israelis dont want Palestine annihilated (a nation with centuries if not millenia of lineage and culture that was'nt artificially constructed to satisfy political expediency) again you are kidding yourself.

I guess as a Palestinian sympathiser i would be equally reprehensible if we were having this conversation in the 1800's, "If you support the native Americans you are supporting a population that wants European colonies annihilated (and by extension, European whites)". Really thats how tenuous your insinuation is.


What the Zionists need to do is reverse their policy with Palestine and to roll back their borders to those dictated by the 1947 UN agreement with East Jerusalem as a Palestinian capital.

I guess though the onus is never on them though, huh?


Again, thats not really the point. You don't roll an army into a civillian territory, frogmarch the people off and treat them like second class citizens for 60 years under the auspice of creating a democratic country. Violence begets violence. It always has done and always will.

I have personally encountered Jews (not Nutueri Karta before you say) and people of Jewish descent that are appalled by what Israel has done in their name.

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Why didnt the cop say as much then. Would've taken all but 2 seconds.

Theres a big difference between countering free speech, and countering hate speech...WHICH THIS IS.

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Spamming the thread with a bunch of youtube videos proves nothing.

If I'd been raised in the West Bank or Gaza I would probably be feeling a similar amount of animosity towards USA/Israel, Religion and brainwashing aren't a factor. Even speaking as a westerner, I feel a certain amount of empathy for the messages in these videos. I am utterly ashamed at the violence and theft commited by my government under the auspice of 'freedom' and 'democracy' which are really little more than code words for neo liberal capitalism. Most people would say here that Roman Catholic Northern Irish are brainwashed into hating the British, yet Roman Catholicism never comes under the microscope despite its stained history of brutality and depravity.

You're examining the symptoms and not the causes.

Frankly I see equal amounts of Islamophobic brainwashing happening in the west. The whole debaccle represents a 2 sided coin IMO.

I Think that America shouldnt have set foot in the middle east to begin with then none of this would ever happen. Also when the Soviets Invaded Afghanistan America should have let them take it over then chase the Soviets out themselves instead of training the Taliban and giving them US weapons as well.