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10 Oct 2012, 3:05 am

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg&feature=related[/youtube]Whats really shocking is the cops dont do anything.

@ 7:01. Its always funny to watch religious fanatics arguing with each other. They were trolling and they got what they had coming. :eye:

Here is an idea for them. How about keep your stupid religion to yourself. Nobody wants to hear about your delusions. Keep it in your churches.

Isn't it interesting that you never see a bunch of Muslims (or some other group) come marching through the middle of a Christian festival, carrying signs telling them that their believes are wrong. Never happens.

amen unfortnatly both sides take it seriously like some whiny 5 yyear olf after his or her lego set castle has been smashed to ruins!!

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10 Oct 2012, 6:49 am

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Here is an idea for them. How about keep your stupid religion to yourself. Nobody wants to hear about your delusions. Keep it in your churches.

Tell that to Muslims in Europe and we'll get along just fine. Let me know how it goes - if you come back in one piece.

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10 Oct 2012, 12:58 pm

Tequila wrote:

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Here is an idea for them. How about keep your stupid religion to yourself. Nobody wants to hear about your delusions. Keep it in your churches.

Tell that to Muslims in Europe and we'll get along just fine. Let me know how it goes - if you come back in one piece.

May as well carry a Tommy gun and armor for protection.

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11 Oct 2012, 5:44 am

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iBlockhead wrote:

And its leader thinks Obama is a Muslim.

Under Islamic law, the son of a Muslim is also a Muslim.

Proof?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitra (supported by the Two Sahihs)

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And, um, just for the record, I'm not saying I approved of this or anything, but, um, those guys were being a***holes and this is an important fact to take into consideration, your topic title is misleading.

I consider the title a quite accurate description of what actually took place. Using the word "stone" might be slightly misleading though, as a *variety* of objects were being thrown... But the "Allahu Akbar" chanting and Christian signs makes it quite easy to determine who is who and what is what.

Uh, I fail to see how that proves your point, or is even related to it? The point of that hadith is that children are born Muslim, not that their parents being Muslim prevents them from being corrupted somehow.

Then is it fair to use such descriptions as "Americans killing Iraqis" for the war on terror, "US Government imprisoning immigrants" for random people being completely fairly sentenced to jail time, or "Autistics inciting Islamophobia" for this thread? Just because there's more to all of those things, doesn't mean those aren't all accurate descriptions, right?

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11 Oct 2012, 7:29 am

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Uh, I fail to see how that proves your point, or is even related to it? The point of that hadith is that children are not born Muslim, not that their parents being Muslim prevents them from being corrupted somehow.

Then is it fair to use such descriptions as "Americans killing Iraqis" for the war on terror, "US Government imprisoning immigrants" for random people being completely fairly sentenced to jail time, or "Autistics inciting Islamophobia" for this thread? Just because there's more to all of those things, doesn't mean those aren't all accurate descriptions, right?

To be honest, if anyone is inciting islamophobia (fear of Islam) it's the statistics on human rights from countries where Islam is the majority religion.

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11 Oct 2012, 8:02 am

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To be honest, if anyone is inciting islamophobia (fear of Islam) it's the statistics on human rights from countries where Islam is the majority religion.

QFT

Also, the news stories of riots and murders worldwide whenever anyone dares to print a cartoon of Muhammed. That doesn't do much for Islam's image. That and all the suicide bombers. Mainly though, as TM points out, it's how they treat their OWN people.

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11 Oct 2012, 11:08 am

Tequila wrote:

Under Islamic law, the son of a Muslim is also a Muslim.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitra (supported by the Two Sahihs)

Cei wrote:

Uh, I fail to see how that proves your point, or is even related to it? The point of that hadith is that children are not born Muslim, not that their parents being Muslim prevents them from being corrupted somehow.

Cei wrote:

Then is it fair to use such descriptions as "Americans killing Iraqis" for the war on terror, "US Government imprisoning immigrants" for random people being completely fairly sentenced to jail time, or "Autistics inciting Islamophobia" for this thread? Just because there's more to all of those things, doesn't mean those aren't all accurate descriptions, right?

"Americans killing Iraqis" is an incorrect description of "The War on Terror", as the latter includes many more nationalities than former.

"US Government imprisoning immigrants" appears (at first glance) somewhat inconsistent with "random people being completely fairly sentenced to jail time". But it depends on the definition of "random" in this context.

Oh, as I have stated earlier, I do not recognize the existence of Islamophobia. It is not a phobia if there is an actual *reason* to be scared of something.

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11 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm

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Oh, as I have stated earlier, I do not recognize the existence of Islamophobia. It is not a phobia if there is an actual *reason* to be scared of something.

Exactly - "Islamophobia" is a dishonest word used to stifle free debate by Muslims and pro-Islam apologists.

There are circumstances of anti-Muslim bigotry, I'm sure (where people are abused and discriminated against simply for being Muslim and not for their actual beliefs), but this isn't a special prejudice (Christians and people of all different persuasions get the same crap in the West) and isn't "Islamophobic".

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11 Oct 2012, 1:22 pm

Tequila wrote:

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Oh, as I have stated earlier, I do not recognize the existence of Islamophobia. It is not a phobia if there is an actual *reason* to be scared of something.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B1eQ0u0b2c[/youtube]

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12 Oct 2012, 5:03 am

GGPViper wrote:

Tequila wrote:

Under Islamic law, the son of a Muslim is also a Muslim.

GGPViper wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitra (supported by the Two Sahihs)

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Ahem. If you read the Wiki article (and the Sahih al-Bukhari quote) you will see that it claims that *everyone* is a Muslim at birth, which proves my point with a vengeance worthy of the Bruce himself.

Perhaps an extra "not" was included in your post unintentionally?

I admit the article could have been worded better, though. But hey, I didn't write it.

Oh, as I have stated earlier, I do not recognize the existence of Islamophobia. It is not a phobia if there is an actual *reason* to be scared of something.

Yeah, that was a typo, sorry. I think it was obvious what I meant to say, though. What I'm saying is, if that's the whole point of the article, what does parentage have to do with it? If that makes Obama a Muslim, how are we not all Muslims?

Nah, this is a misunderstanding of the word. A phobia is an irrational level of fear, not a fear of something it's irrational to be afraid of. I still think what you ought to be afraid of is violent, intolerant, and/or uneducated people in general, though.

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Speaking of the Crusades, my son wants to be a knight for Halloween. As I am a history buff, I'm making him a Templar costume. After I started making it, it crossed my mind that some people might find it offensive (kind of like a Nazi costume) but in the end I decided to go ahead with it. I do not think there are any Muslims in my town anyway, and he looks awesome in it. Does anyone here think a Templar costume is offensive? I'm just curious.

Personally, I wouldn't find it offensive at all, but I guess there's always someone who can find a reason to object to things. In fact, as someone with an interest in medieval history myself, I think it's kinda cool. :lol:

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12 Oct 2012, 6:02 am

Cei wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Tequila wrote:

Under Islamic law, the son of a Muslim is also a Muslim.

GGPViper wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitra (supported by the Two Sahihs)

Cei wrote:

Well, Tequila made the claim that the son of a Muslim is a Muslim according to Sharia. You asked for proof, and I provided overwhelming proof.

That being said, the fundamental problem of Islam being inherited according to Sharia is that anyone whose parents are Muslims will be considered an apostate if that individual changes his/her religion. And you *don't* want to be an apostate in the eyes of Sharia.

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Nah, this is a misunderstanding of the word. A phobia is an irrational level of fear, not a fear of something it's irrational to be afraid of. I still think what you ought to be afraid of is violent, intolerant, and/or uneducated people in general, though.

Wiki-Fu says: "persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed, often being recognized as irrational."

As a fear of Islam is neither (1) disproportional to the actual danger posed or (2) irrational, I do not consider it a phobia. I thus find no fault in my reasoning.

See my September 25 post in this thread where I provide an in-depth account on why Islamophobia does not exist.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4932129.html
(I could post it here, but that would be borderline spamming)

The problem is the religion *itself*...

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12 Oct 2012, 4:07 pm

GGPViper wrote:

Cei wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Tequila wrote:

Under Islamic law, the son of a Muslim is also a Muslim.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitra (supported by the Two Sahihs)

Cei wrote:

Billy Graham's kid tried to imply the same thing about President Obama, as his father had been raised a Muslim (I understand he was personally an atheist).

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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12 Oct 2012, 4:09 pm

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Billy Graham's kid tried to imply the same thing about President Obama, as his father had been raised a Muslim (I understand he was personally an atheist).

Is Barack Obama an apostate? If so, he is still a Muslim if neither he or his father have apostatised.

Not that I particularly care either way - it's pretty much irrelevant. What does matter is U.S. foreign policy.

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12 Oct 2012, 4:20 pm

Tequila wrote:

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Billy Graham's kid tried to imply the same thing about President Obama, as his father had been raised a Muslim (I understand he was personally an atheist).

As a matter of fact, MSNBC had asked a Muslim scholar if being the son of a Muslim makes you a Muslim was true according to the religion, and the answer was a definite no.
And this notion that Obama is somehow Pro-Islam in his foreign policy is a load of crap. The fact of the matter is, the Islamic countries are a very unstable part of the world, and we need to handle them with kid gloves. Charging in with guns blazing like Bush had only makes things a lot worse.

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13 Oct 2012, 12:17 am

problem is there are still people stupid enough to think there is a central and strict planning of religious sects and their behavior and opinions,

you will find groups under sharia were both options are more correct.

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13 Oct 2012, 3:31 am

DerStadtschutz wrote:

Also, christians totally NEVER do anything violent *cough* crusades *cough*

Don't confuse Christianity with the Roman Catholic empire - two very, very different things.

Sadly, I fear if Islam really does come to full power, we're going to see an even bigger, darker, more violent Dark Ages than the last one.

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