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Like having a job that's always in demand. Like having a paycheck that doesn't bounce. Like knowing that you won't have to live with your parents for the rest of your life.

In the eyes of a woman most of us dont have to be told to do that!

Last edited by AspieOtaku on 10 Dec 2012, 8:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Nurses are expected to catch the mistakes doctors make (they're held equally responsible for any bad care they administer at a doctor's instruction).

There is no "I was just following Doctor's orders" defense. If you know better, you should do something about it. Even if you didn't know better, you should have.

To give an example a male medic can perform a tracheotomy but a female nurse cannot.

Difference emphasis on different jobs. The medic is specifically trained to perform emergency care without direct supervision, while a nurse is specifically trained to perform palliative care without direct supervision. It's the job of the (para)medic to deliver a patient live to the hospital, the surgeon to restore life-functions, and the nurse to monitor the patient's vitals and administer palliative treatments.

By the way, all three can perform tracheotomies under emergency conditions, and many have done so. Can you?

Why do you look down on nurses? They're heroes!

Nurses have been a hell of a lot more than 'glorified maids' for decades now.
Even if what you say were true, why would it be less ok for men to be "demeaned" than women?

Last edited by LKL on 10 Dec 2012, 10:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

You mean, 'a medic can perform a tracheotomy, and a nurse cannot.'
Gender non-specific.

My cousin is an ER nurse in one of the poorer, rougher, parts of the city. Call her a "glorified maid" and you're likely to come away with broken kneecaps. Which she will then treat you for with the utmost care and professionalism. Just so she can break 'em again later.

There is nothing demeaning about her work. Hell, I'd even describe it as "noble" or "honorable." The way she's often treated by others though, yeah, that can be pretty demeaning.

It is gender specific. An uneducated male medic is allowed to perform surgeries and prescribe drugs . A female nurse on the other hand isn't even allowed to stitch up wounds unless she is a practitioner.

The only rational explanation for this is not because nurses can not trained as Doctors but rather women are not trusted with this responsibility.

I am not saying that this is good but rather I think the limitations in a Nurses job description are based on gender harassment rather than competency.

And lack of education is no excuse for holding a nurse back because male medics with far less education than a nurse are given much more responsibilities simply because they are men.

You're being deliberately obtuse. It's specific to the job, not to the gender. Male nurses do not have a greater scope of practice than female nurses; female medics do not have a lesser scope of practice than male medics. About a third of the paramedics that service my hospitals demesne are female, and about 10% of the nurses are male. Their scope of practice is limited by their job title, not their gender.

In addition, there's a shit-load of stuff that nurses can do that paramedics cannot, including a whole spectrum of meds that nurses can push that medics can't. In our ED, the nurses often see the patient well before the doctor, and perform most of the initial treatments; they write it down on the chart, and then get the doc to sign it and make it official after the fact. That happens in a lot (most) of EDs.

Also: combat medics have a wider scope of practice than civilian medics, in part because it is often further/ more time between the point of injury and the primary care facility.

I dont know if the allowed activities for nurses are others then in europe, but i never would have come to the thought, that it would be demeaning to be a nurse?

Its a high responsible job, where lives of other people depend on your reliability and from ex school mates of mine who went to nurse school i know, that the requirements are damned high. So they had to learn about tons of medicaments, to prevent damage to the patient if a doctor orders a patient a medicament against a problem, and a secont doctor would treat another problem with another medicament, its up to the nurse to knwo if there could be complications and so on.

Also my sister studied medicine, so i can compare it. Sure she had much more stuff to learn, but from the jobs you can choose without studying, nurse is one of the hardest in my opinion depending on the knowledge you need to achieve and the great responsibility. (And nurses DO know how to give injections in practice and do not need their little sisters to practice after finishing studying medicine. -.- )

I just was interested if you have a own name for male nurses? So on german the name for a female nurse was Kranken (= ill) - Schwester (= sister), so i would understand if men wouldnt like to be called "sister". But for males nurses its Kranken (= ill) - Pfleger ( = to care for), so nobody can feel offended by the jobname.

It is really hard to believe for met, that this important job, which needs a lot of knowledge and responsibility, and services the society, would be demeaning for anyone? So from my oppinion its one of the jobs a absolutely respect.

^ You're correct in all of that, except that it's "medications" in English, not 'medicaments.'

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There are radical feminists who have a subtle hatred toward men.
And there are radical anti-feminists who have a subtle hatred toward women.

In the end, I'd say most people support equal rights for women in education, justice, employment, etc. They believe that women can do whatever a man can do, but they never act condescending or hostile to people who enjoy living traditional lifestyles.

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