GGPViper wrote:
salad wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
salad wrote:
SHE WAS AN ADULT. She reached the age of puberty and was considered a fully matured woman, thus making it a legal marriage. Age doesn't determine marriage, maturity does in Islam.
Oh dear.
salad, if you are going to argue that 9 year old girls can be considered fully matured women (and thus ready for both marriage and intercourse) according to Islam, then you really can't be surprised by the fact that a lot of people have little or no respect for Islam whatsoever.
salad wrote:
Don't be a hypocrite. Do you know how enraged Americans become when people burn their flag?? There you go.
And yet, the right to desecrate the US flag is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, supported by two United States Supreme Court rulings.
ARE YOU SERIOUS??? THROUGHOUT HISTORY 9 YEAR OLDS WERE CONSIDERED ADULTS. GO LOOK IT UP. WAIT, WHY LOOK IT UP WHEN I GAVE SELF EXPLANATORY ARGUMENT REBUTTING AND DEBUNKING ALL YOUR MISCONCEPTIONS. Please, read my article which I found on-line carefully, rather than reading 2 sentences then promptly rushing to the criticism. Second time you didn't read everything I wrote. Honestly if you actually read the whole thing carefully it should make clear that his marriage to Aisha wasn't rape in any way shape or form.
First of all. Are you auditioning to be this guy?
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warrio ... llcaps.htmSecond, as for your copy-paste of content from islamgreatreligion.wordpress.com (the address might suggest a *mild* bias, btw), you seem to forget that this is not the Byzantine Empire or the Arabian Peninsula 1,400 years ago. This is a 2013, a time where a great many of the countries of the world take pride in upholding human rights and having abandoned atrocities of the past, whether these atrocities were carried out for religious, political, racial, economic or other reasons.
Third, the problem is (the way I see it, but see below) that you explicitly
endorse child marriage on the basis of Islam, which is exactly what I quoted you for. And in fact, you even provided more evidence to this on the site you mentioned:
salad wrote:
Furthermore as to the Holy Prophet’s marriage with Sayyidah Aisha, something people will notice is that the completion of the marriage was done when Sayyidah Aisha was 9 years old, not when she was 6, and there is a reason for that. The reason why this happened is because Sayyidah Aisha had been through puberty by the age of 9, and in Islam a female who under-goes puberty is considered a lady and is fit for marriage.
No qualification. No "taken out of context". So I fail to see the misconception (or the rebutting and debunking, for that matter).
But if you feel that I am misrepresenting your beliefs, salad, then perhaps you could educate me by answering a simple question.
Do you think that it is OK for Muslim men to marry and have intercourse with 9 year old girls?
OK i will admit i spam the cap locks to grab attention, not insult but grab attenmtion. however about your question in islam if a female is physically and mentally able to get married then she's considered a woman, not a girl. Aisha was considered a woman, when you marry a girl who isn';t grown up yet or mature then that's plain sick and pedophilia, but Aisha was mature and a developed woman. in fact, some scholars actually say that she was 14-15 when she got married. the man who narrateed that aisha was 9 was said to have had a bad memory during his old age and he narrated the hadith when he was old. 9, 10, 15, as long as she was mature and a developed woman then age doesn't matter, people matured way faster back then, so no, there is nothing wrong in islam with marrying anyone no matter how old as long as they are mature enough and are grown up. BTW I literally answered every question you have in that website you're just being bias and pin pointing every insignificant detail to depict Muhammad (Peace Be upon him) as a pedophile which he wasn't. maybe these will answer your questions better than i, for i am not the most informed regarding this topic i will admit, but luckily these people are:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/m ... rriage.htm
Look, i dont have all the time to paste every single detail in my prophet's defense, but the facts are clear that he wasn't a pedophile. ive found so many detailed articles debunking every possible myth regarding this, so much that i haven't even memorized all the arguments which is why i posted the links to several websites. but you can't force a horse to drink, and i can't force you to believe that he wasn't a pedophile. in the end, i did my part and provided very detailed links answering all the misconceptions regarding this topic. if you read with an open mind and take into consideration everything they said rather than skim and find little details to criticise, then it won't help. there are msny wisdoms behind the prophets marriage to aisha, which is listed here:
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.p ... -Aisha(r-a)-the-mother-of-all-believers
on top of their being nothing wrong with his marriage to aisha, he still didnt marry her for lust. and yes, in america girls married when they were 9, same as in england. who are you to try to act as a God and distinguish between right and wrong, how hypocritical is that "my modern culture says so and so is wrong thus it's wrong" mentality is pure junk. the only reason why it's considered wrong now is due to many factors, a few ill name:
1. girls are no where near mature at 9 like they were back then
2. maturity dropped and because the age for marriage slowly rose due to the declination of maturity people find it eccentric and weird for such a thing.
3. people lived shorter lives in some areas thus they married young.
etc. if you were alive back then your perception and perspective on such a topic would be way different, times have changed, and so have many of the factors regarding this topic. i dont feel like arguing, just read the website. i wont argue any more about this. if you have a question PM me, but im wasting time going back and worth when i could simply put the argument to everything you said in these websites up above and spare the unnecessary altercation. you have to be open minded and think unbiased when carefully reading these arguments because we already know that you know that he married aisha at a young age, but you have to be flexible and think from the perspective of someone alive hundreds of years ago. no it wasn't wrong. you dont define wrong or right. i cant change your mind by a website, only if you are open minded and flexible will reading these arguments change you perspective on this. the facts are the same, but it's your view on the fact that needs to adjust. read the above websites
22 Jan 2013, 12:56 pm
