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28 Jan 2013, 12:02 am

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYhDthbBrrU[/youtube]All the f bombs are bleeped out! Man thats a lot of meat instant heart attack on a pizza!


I like meat and pizza but I don't think I'd like that.
Call me traditional but a hamburger crust is outside of my frame of reference.


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28 Jan 2013, 11:53 am

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Apparently, you have no understanding of the concept of "carrying capacity". Overpopulation has absolutely nothing whatsoever do with space. It has to do with the amount of resources available to support a population. If you live in a country that doesn't have enough food to support to support the population then that country is overpopulated. And no, it doesn't matter if you can support the support the population by importing most of your food, it is still overpopulated by definition.


Then why hasn't the Malthus Doom overtaken us?

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30 Jan 2013, 12:04 am

What about carniverous plants?


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30 Jan 2013, 2:39 am

ruveyn wrote:
Jono wrote:

Apparently, you have no understanding of the concept of "carrying capacity". Overpopulation has absolutely nothing whatsoever do with space. It has to do with the amount of resources available to support a population. If you live in a country that doesn't have enough food to support to support the population then that country is overpopulated. And no, it doesn't matter if you can support the support the population by importing most of your food, it is still overpopulated by definition.


Then why hasn't the Malthus Doom overtaken us?

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Mostly, because humans can increase their own carrying capacity with new agricultural technology. Although, the so-called "Malthus Doom" actually has happened in certain areas, you just need to look at how many people are starving in some African countries.



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30 Jan 2013, 8:23 am

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Mostly, because humans can increase their own carrying capacity with new agricultural technology. Although, the so-called "Malthus Doom" actually has happened in certain areas, you just need to look at how many people are starving in some African countries.


Exactly. Malthus never considered the possibility that human action, particularly technology could increase the carrying capacity of the planet substantially. Keep in mind when Malthus lived. In his day gee whiz bang technology was just barely getting started.

So far the human race has produced food and sustanence at the same or greater pace than the population has grown.

In the very, very, very long run Malthus is right, but we haven't got there, just yet.

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30 Jan 2013, 9:00 am

some of those African countries have had unreasonably long droughts that destroyed their ability to make crops sufficient for their population.



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31 Jan 2013, 4:35 pm

The climate change we are experiencing is expected to create more rainfall and produce more farmland.
I read somewhere that fish stocks in the oceans are being renewed, fish jumping into fishermen's boats sort of thing.
Guess I'm an optimist. :D



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01 Feb 2013, 2:07 am

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The climate change we are experiencing is expected to create more rainfall and produce more farmland.
I read somewhere that fish stocks in the oceans are being renewed, fish jumping into fishermen's boats sort of thing.
Guess I'm an optimist. :D
Sushi anyone?


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01 Feb 2013, 12:59 pm

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Can you ask a wild animal to not eat meat? They kill animals for food and in some fairly gruesome ways. How are humans any different?


Animals in the wild eat other animals in order to survive. Many humans, on the other hand, eat animals for reasons other than survival, such as taste and pleasure. It is okay for wild animals to eat other animals because they must do so to live. Man has been given free will, something animals hasn't.


Even the religions tell us to be vegetarian, not to eat unclean meat:

Genesis 9:3-4
“Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.”

Genesis 9:4
But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Genesis 1:30
"And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food. And it was so."

Romans 14:21
"It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble."



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01 Feb 2013, 2:29 pm

Animals also have free will but also kill to eat and to avoid being eaten we ourselves are animals believe it or not whatever your religion dictates so we can eat meat meat when we want to in developed countries its more of a comfort food but in less developed nations and tribal communities there comes situations it is a necessaty for survival due to lack of ability to cultivate crops. Better to eat meat when your stranded and no edible vegetation is around than to starve to death.


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01 Feb 2013, 2:30 pm

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The human race has become very parasitic. Not just towards animals, but towards the environment and other humans. It's only going to get worse as the world population continues to increase. Humans are dependent on this lifestyle and there is no easy way to fix this. I used to think that there was no way that I could ever give up meat, but today I feel like I could.


Actually Albert Einstein was vegetarian! :D
And Hitler was meat eater! :cry:

Which one do you want to be like?

GO VEGGIE! xD



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01 Feb 2013, 2:33 pm

Retteman wrote:

Genesis 9:4
But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

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That is why Orthodox Jews soak and salt their meat seven times, to get all the blood out.

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01 Feb 2013, 4:08 pm

I'm an atheist so I'm not interested in eating what a fictional book (at least to me) tells me to.

I'll eat what I choose and what I like the taste of regardless of what others think and you are all free to do the same even if it's not the same stuff I would eat.



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01 Feb 2013, 4:19 pm

Are we free to eat other humans?



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01 Feb 2013, 7:47 pm

In New Guinea you are hehe.Also some early pioneers in North America like the Donner Party did in order to survive they had to resort to eating their own dead.

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Are we free to eat other humans?


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01 Feb 2013, 7:52 pm

Or if your plane crashes in the mountains.Kuru could be a problem if you do it to much :lol:


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