24 Apr 2013, 10:31 pm
AP will love it,it's pretty obvious he secretly likes the idea 
But some kids should not get spanked,it totally freaked me out when a relative hit me with a belt,I don't even remember what it was about.
On the other hand my son,sent to his room.He climbed out the window and escaped,there went my "soft"love,right out the window. it's a different culture,my kids would run off and hide.And I mean way off,like Bear Gryls.And they could forage,now what am I suppose to do?Take away My Pretty Pony,hell,they set that on fire.They cooked crawdads in a tin can,yeah,like whupping them would phase them.They went feral,now what do you do????
But on the positive side,one runs a bulldozing co. And the other is in college,so they are all right.
25 Apr 2013, 12:17 am
Ancalagon wrote:
Schneekugel wrote:
Because its simply sick to beat someone else without cause.
What does this have to do with spanking? Spanking is with cause, and is not beating.
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So what terrible things that are worse then beating another person do you think to prevent, so that beating a human person is the better alternative?
If I have a child, and he's being willful, and he wants to run with scissors, should I just try to reason with him? He doesn't want to listen to reason. If I sit on my hands and do nothing but attempt to reason with him, he's going to run with scissors. If he does that, he could stab himself in the eye, or the gut, or the face, or the leg, or the chest. Or maybe trip while running past his sister and stab her. All of these things are worse than an actual beating, and what's being suggested isn't an actual beating, it's just a spanking.
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If you invent yourself a rule, and not behaving after that rule has the only consequence of arguing with you, the rule simply is dumb. If a child dont want to eat, it will naturally feel the consequence of hunger.
I see. So if we let our children eat only candy and never nutritious food, despite knowing how bad an idea that is, we have done our job as parents, and we shouldn't mind that they get a bunch of cavities or get sick. If we see them playing with a knife, we shouldn't stop them, just let them feel the natural consequence of slicing open their finger or stabbing their leg. If we see them playing with matches, we should just let nature take its course. After all, the danger of being badly burned is nothing compared to the mild and temporary pain of a swat on the butt.
And, of course, if the rule doesn't have natural consequenses for the child itself, it must be wrong, right? So if he pulls his sister's hair until she cries, it doesn't hurt him, so he's not doing anything wrong. She is, since she's letting him pull her hair. If this happens, we can leave them to it, not worry about the emotional damage done to the sister or the moral problems the brother may face in the future because of the habits he formed as a kid, and feel good about ourselves, since at least we aren't like those horrible people who spank their children.
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Do you really believe these hypocraty nonsense stuff with "Oh yes, beating is so unpleasant for me as it is for my child."
Why wouldn't he believe it? Why do you call it hypocrisy?
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You are loosing temper because of your child demanding icecream,
What does losing your temper have to do with spanking a child? Spanking is done to correct the child, not to make you feel better.
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Yes sure, if I have beaten my child until it bleeds and teeth are loosen they will take it from me.
We are talking about spanking here, not punching people in the face. You do know what the word spanking means, right?
While I am fine with spankings, couldn't you just grab the scissors out of your child's hands and put them up high where he can't reach them? Can you also grab the knife from them? If your child doesn't stop pulling his sister's hair, there is time outs or privileges being taken away.
But would I spank my child is nothing else worked? Yes.
My son wouldn't let me put his clothes on him before taking him outside so I told him if he doesn't wear his clothes, he can't go outside. Then I told him he wasn't going outside since he won't let me put his clothes on. He finally listened because he wanted to go outside so he let me put his clothes on him. If he refused to let me put his clothes on, I wouldn't have taken him outside to play. My son loves to be naked but thank goodness he keeps them on in public and doesn't try and take them off, especially when he is outside. But at home, he wants them off. I felt a not letting him go outside was a better consequence than a spanking for not letting me put his clothes on.
Sadly some people can't comprehend what a spanking is. Actually lot of people can't seem to comprehend it. But yet lot of parents still spank their kids. I read in a article 80% of American Parents have spanked their child. In a parenting magazine, they once had an article on spankings and it was about a debate about rather it's okay or wrong and it said 4 out of 5 parents do it/have done it. So I saw spanking is still common in the USA. So I am guessing the anti spankers are in the minority but they seem like the majority.
25 Apr 2013, 12:19 am
Misslizard wrote:
AP will love it,it's pretty obvious he secretly likes the idea
But some kids should not get spanked,it totally freaked me out when a relative hit me with a belt,I don't even remember what it was about.
On the other hand my son,sent to his room.He climbed out the window and escaped,there went my "soft"love,right out the window. it's a different culture,my kids would run off and hide.And I mean way off,like Bear Gryls.And they could forage,now what am I suppose to do?Take away My Pretty Pony,hell,they set that on fire.They cooked crawdads in a tin can,yeah,like whupping them would phase them.They went feral,now what do you do????
But on the positive side,one runs a bulldozing co. And the other is in college,so they are all right.
But some kids should not get spanked,it totally freaked me out when a relative hit me with a belt,I don't even remember what it was about.
On the other hand my son,sent to his room.He climbed out the window and escaped,there went my "soft"love,right out the window. it's a different culture,my kids would run off and hide.And I mean way off,like Bear Gryls.And they could forage,now what am I suppose to do?Take away My Pretty Pony,hell,they set that on fire.They cooked crawdads in a tin can,yeah,like whupping them would phase them.They went feral,now what do you do????
But on the positive side,one runs a bulldozing co. And the other is in college,so they are all right.
I think you're right. AP does secretly desire to be spanked.
I agree some kids are better off not spanked but more often than not it's the only way to get through as it was in my case.
If my parents had only scolded me I'd just laugh at them and goad them into some more yelling just for pleasure.
25 Apr 2013, 12:26 am
25 Apr 2013, 12:36 am
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25 Apr 2013, 6:54 am
Raptor wrote:
I think you're right. AP does secretly desire to be spanked.
I promised a moderator that I would remove myself from the present discussion, so as to avoid getting spanked.
Carry on: you're only supposed to be discussing the spanking of minors. Otherwise, you've entered the forbidden realm of fetishism. A subtle, but very important distinction.
Any more discussion of adults getting spanked, and you might just get a spanking.
25 Apr 2013, 7:49 am
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25 Apr 2013, 10:51 am
Honestly I sometimes wished I was spanked instead of losing privileges or being grounded because a spanking only lasted a couple seconds, not three days or a week or all day. But my mother felt the others were more effective than a spanking because she believes kids are too old for one when the get to kindergarten because they are capable of understanding now and you can talk to them now and they can understand other consequences they get. She would only spank me if I was really really really really bad and it was rare when I would get one. At least I didn't have to deal with being grounded or losing privileges when I was real little because I had spankings or time outs or being sent to my room but it always depended on the situation. I remember one consequence I got when I was real little was I pushed a girl off the fake ship in the play area at a mall and Mom yelled at me about it and I knew the rule was no pushing and the girl wouldn't move and I had waited a while and she didn't move. So as a punishment, we left the play area. I think a spanking would have been better. 
At least I would have stayed and had more fun but no, leaving was the worst thing ever. This just shows how spanking wouldn't always be effective so that is why parents also use other approaches and anti spankers seem to assume spanking is all parents ever do. We are aware of other ways of disciplining kids and we do them, spanking isn't the only option we use. My mother used lot of discipline tools.
So what does this tell the anti spankers?
25 Apr 2013, 1:04 pm
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Honestly I sometimes wished I was spanked instead of losing privileges or being grounded because a spanking only lasted a couple seconds, not three days or a week or all day.
I don't know, some of the ass whuppins my old man gave me set off the smoke alarms.
25 Apr 2013, 4:32 pm
Raptor wrote:
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Honestly I sometimes wished I was spanked instead of losing privileges or being grounded because a spanking only lasted a couple seconds, not three days or a week or all day.
I don't know, some of the ass whuppins my old man gave me set off the smoke alarms.
Did he use one of these?
25 Apr 2013, 9:51 pm
marshall wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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Honestly I sometimes wished I was spanked instead of losing privileges or being grounded because a spanking only lasted a couple seconds, not three days or a week or all day.
I don't know, some of the ass whuppins my old man gave me set off the smoke alarms.
Did he use one of these?
I see humor in that and it make me crack a smile.
I wonder, though, if I'd made a response like that to your ass whuppin story a few pages back if we would have been treated to yet another one of your famous tirades.
I'm guessing we would......
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26 Apr 2013, 12:35 am
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I've yet to see a case in which spanking the child resulted in a more positive outcome for the child than no spanking.
I didn't always mind. When I was a kid and would do something dangerous or destructive that I was told not to do, I'd get a spanking. I didn't do it again. I imagine that I had a much more positive outcome by being spanked to stop dangerous behavior than if I hadn't been spanked, because I was very strong willed and knowing I would get a spanking was the only thing that kept me from doing some things.
Same with my kids. Sometimes spanking was the only way they would mind me on some issues.
Spanking makes the child either afraid of the parent spanking it or become a very rebellious kid.
I was neither afraid of mine nor rebellious over spankings. By the time I was old enough to actually be rebellious I was also able to see the reason why it was so important for me to not do the things I was spanked about. I was rebellious over other issues entirely, overprotection.
When I was a little kid, I used to be afraid of my mother when she got angry (as she was good at giving me and my brother a smack), and we used to have a lot of arguments when I was a teenager. Nowadays, even though I love her and am protective of her (and she's very loving and sacrificial towards me), I have a very hard time communicating with her in a friendly manner the way I do with my siblings. And this is despite no enmity or hatred between us, just a lack of comfort. When I think about why, I get the feeling that the old childhood spanking moments have a lot to do with it.
Most people I know don't end up that way. I'm very sorry things worked out that way for you, but being spanked as a child for something that deserved a spanking doesn't bother me a bit.
Either way, moral of the day:
If you care for your child, don't spank him. There are other more effective ways to discipline.
I didn't always mind. When I was a kid and would do something dangerous or destructive that I was told not to do, I'd get a spanking. I didn't do it again. I imagine that I had a much more positive outcome by being spanked to stop dangerous behavior than if I hadn't been spanked, because I was very strong willed and knowing I would get a spanking was the only thing that kept me from doing some things.
Same with my kids. Sometimes spanking was the only way they would mind me on some issues.
Spanking makes the child either afraid of the parent spanking it or become a very rebellious kid.
I was neither afraid of mine nor rebellious over spankings. By the time I was old enough to actually be rebellious I was also able to see the reason why it was so important for me to not do the things I was spanked about. I was rebellious over other issues entirely, overprotection.
When I was a little kid, I used to be afraid of my mother when she got angry (as she was good at giving me and my brother a smack), and we used to have a lot of arguments when I was a teenager. Nowadays, even though I love her and am protective of her (and she's very loving and sacrificial towards me), I have a very hard time communicating with her in a friendly manner the way I do with my siblings. And this is despite no enmity or hatred between us, just a lack of comfort. When I think about why, I get the feeling that the old childhood spanking moments have a lot to do with it.
Most people I know don't end up that way. I'm very sorry things worked out that way for you, but being spanked as a child for something that deserved a spanking doesn't bother me a bit.
Either way, moral of the day:
If you care for your child, don't spank him. There are other more effective ways to discipline.
Each child is different. Some kids don't ever need spanking or very rarely. Other kids need a bit more of it. You don't spank just to spank, you spank when it's something really serious and something that disobedience about is not an option. If you care for your child, and if spanking him is the only way to keep him from, say, running into traffic, then spank him. Better a sore bottom for a few minutes than dead from being hit by a truck!
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