US Government wants to take firearms away by force!

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there is no way to disarm the public and take away short range weapons. For self defense, short-range weapons should be sufficient. For fighting off the Red-Coats, well that is a different story.

ruveyn

What's short range?

Right, so the Taliban and other Afghan rebels are utterly being defeated by NATO now? Last I heard, they weren't. That's the best armies on earth right now being fought to a stalemate by guys with light weapons (mostly firearms with some AT launchers thrown in) and homemade bombs.

Another proficient army was also defeated there by the same Afghans before NATO (Soviets). The same before those too (English).

Something similar happened in Southeast Asia too with rebels and mostly firearms versus several countries over the years (French lost, the US and a couple of allies did, and then China).

Some strange truck pulled up my drive and stopped half way up about midnight,then they drove up and got stuck trying to drive up into my field.They sat there spinning for awhile and then drove off.I have no idea who the hell it was..My drive is a 1/4 mile long and private so they had no business coming up it that late.I turned the porch light on so they knew I was home and awake.We have more crime now and I know people that have been robbed.I was very thankful that I have a gun,if these people had been up to no good it would take the cops 30 mnts to get here.If someone is slipping around people's homes on a work night that late,way out here,I'm assuming they are on drugs and up to no good.

I would say anything from 0 to 150 feet. Basically within musket shot.

ruveyn

When seconds count the police are only minutes away.

Jager and the later [Kentucky] Long Rifles are actually easy to make with tools bought from your local tool shop. Which isn't surprising, as they were made by hand with hand tools [that are archaic compared to what you can buy relatively cheaply now]. Powder and shot/ball are easy to make too.

Basic .40-45 cal Long Rifles can take someone at 200 yards easily enough.

There's 600 feet.

If you're talking about building the whole rifle from scratch as they did in the colonial era the process is actually quite lengthy and complex, considering on top of everything else, you have to make the barrel and then rifle it.
The barrel was said to be the hardest part;
• The steel had to be made and forged into bar stock
• The bar had to be repeatedly heated and hammered around a mandrel using a special anvil
• The barrel had to be straightened
• The barrel had to be rifled using a manually operated rifling machine
• The flats had to be draw filed into the barrel

This is a simple description. Actually, each of the above steps were very painstaking tasks.

The stock is said to be considerably easier to make than the barrel but even that took considerable skill and time.

Then the trigger guard, trigger mechanism, buttplate, ramrod thimbles, the ramrod, sideplate, sights, etc had to be fabricated.

If I remember right the locks were made in a factory somewhere else and distributed.

I'm just doing this off of memory and not even giving anywhere near a complete description but it gives you an idea....

Here's a video of just a small part of the barrel making process.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJn4XW2AQG8&list=PL368560CE73DAB01B[/youtube]

Rifled barrels are by far the hardest part to produce without very specialized tools, everything else about a gun is pretty dang simple to make. The easiest way I know to do it is called button rifling, and involves a hardened steel plug with an extendable cutter being driving by an indexing mechanism that rotates the cutter a set amount for the distance it's moved to create a specific twist rate, and that still takes multiple passes to do a good job. The big outfits use hammer forming around mandrels, which is quick, but you basically need a factory to do it efficiently.
IMHO, if I were going to build guns completely from scratch, I'd ditch the rifled barrel entirely and move to machined flechettes with a sabot to stabilize the round in the smooth barrel. Now if I happened to have access to a CNC machine, I might change my mind, but I'm an old school machinist at heart.

You can just use seamless tubing for a functional barrel blank; they can handle the pressures of black powder loads (not the best for "sport", but fine for war and defense). Then the rifling can be cut with what amounts to a drill bit and run through the barrel on a press (which can be made easily enough). The tools and supplies are pretty much all available.

As Dox47 said though, you can just use a smoothbore with caseless fin stabilized discarding sabot projectiles. I'd go caseless as cases are hard to make (that's brass). Or, you can just use something like a Foster slug (those hourglass shaped ones work too; Winchester used to make 12 gauge slugs with them) which offers reasonable accuracy out to 200 or so yards (enough to hit a human at that range).

That's what I'd do if I needed and didn't have a "long range" weapon (and couldn't legally acquire one):

I'd just make a break-action, breech loading smoothbore weapon firing caseless or semi-caseless (plastic or paper) Foster-type projectiles. Large caliber and heavy self-stabilized slugs.

A bow and arrow might be easier to make,the materials are all around you.The Osage used the Osage Orange Tree to make bows.Some people call them hedge apples.If you are hid good you could pick off quite a few invaders silently.And you could put Aconite on your arrow tips like the Chinese and Japanese did.There is lots of good flint in this area.If you wanted to make your own gunpowder they harvested saltpeter from the caves here during the Civil War.There are also some old lead mines.
I doubt I ever get invaded,or have my gun taken from me,but it's always good to have options.

Guns, Bows.... you are all smallheaded. There is nothing that can match with a good ancient siege weapon like a trebuchet or a blide.

30 pound bullets, calibre 350 mm, 450 meters targetable range and you only need normal carpenter and blacksmith tools to build it. ^^But better train a bit before using it, because if you miss it might be that your target will come for you in the 30 minutes you need for reloading. ^^

Try carrying it as a concealed weapon, though.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Disguise the trebuchet as an outhouse.

ruveyn

I don't know how many places of business would let you drag an outhouse into their premises.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

This whole topic seems like a non-issue to me.

Even if laws were passed requiring all firearms to be registered, it be impracticle (and darn near impossible) for the government to run a program to seize all (or even a fraction) of the privately owned weapons.

The idea that the government is trying to take your weapons is political propaganda, just like the rumors that the NSA is using their massive data collection to make profiles of every person in the country to determine every possible minute crime they MAY have committed.

If there is an extreme viewpoint, it is usually based minimally on fact, and mostly on what other people you agree with on other issues say.