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Try asking a poor white man with no high-school diploma living in rural Mississippi on government assistance how he feels about white privilege.

I've tried pointing this out as an ineffective tool of persuasion in the past; no one seems to have gotten the message.

Its not an effectual analogy unless you compare it against a poor black man with no high-school diploma living in the Bronx or Compton on government assistance.

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10 Nov 2013, 8:52 am

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At least he's (largely) safe from racist or homophobic violence.

A black gay guy lying on the same bench couldn't say the same thing.

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10 Nov 2013, 8:52 am

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Being met with the word privilege is also extremely denigrating to those individuals who do not share those privileged qualities that are effectively assumed to be present. Try asking a poor white man with no high-school diploma living in rural Mississippi on government assistance how he feels about white privilege.

Mainstream high schools are free, so he really has no excuse to drop out. Nobody said that all white people were this and all black people were that, but the life of a white person on average is easier than the life of a black person, because the former gets more privileges (as in he will get better job opportunities, will be treated better in the courtroom, etc.).

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10 Nov 2013, 8:53 am

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This chart is as meaningless as the last.

Why do asian people get + privilege?!

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10 Nov 2013, 9:02 am

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White trash refers to a specific subset of white people (typically the guests on stage on talk shows such as Dr. Phil). The other words have no connection to slavery or something similar. Furthermore, while there are racists in every race, there's no racism against white people in the US on an institutional level. This is a massive privilege.

[*cough*] Affirmative Action [/*cough*]

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10 Nov 2013, 9:06 am

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chart

This chart is as meaningless as the last.

Why do asian people get + privilege?!

The real question should be: Why do Asian people get less + privilege than whites, as they outperform whites on both education, income and life expectancy?

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10 Nov 2013, 9:09 am

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The real question should be: Why do Asian people get less + privilege than whites, as they outperform whites on both education, income and life expectancy?

I invite anyone to come to the UK and tell me asian people are privileged. Here, it is people from the Indian subcontinent that recieve the lion's share of racist violence and general prejudice. I suspect it is somewhat similar in Europe.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/NEWS/107 ... tail_Park/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/422585 ... fic-attack

I'm guessing when US posters talk about 'asian', they specifically mean Chinese, Japanese or Korean people and their association with high academic performance (which ironically is a racist stereotype).

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10 Nov 2013, 9:15 am

When I was growing up in rural Australia I had to ride on a different bus and use different computers because the Indigenous Australian children had their own services. There was one women there as a support worker, who did not really like her job that much (and had no qualification for it anyway), used to call in bomb threats on the school. The average was one a week, as a result she would get the day off of work. In the end she was apprehended and fired.

People who try cookie cutter solutions to race relations find their efforts stymied by the rather more complicated reality into which they are applied. It reminds me of the Tianxia method of imperial Chinese rule. The idea was, that civilisation was at its peak in the capital, therefor when a solution that worked in the capital was applied to the provinces failed, it was because the outer area was too barbarian. The solution was to try and make it more like the capital. It is how, to this day, that in the outer regions of China the street signs still do not make sense as they are translated into local languages by people in Beijing. Race relations and privilege cannot be solved in this way either. If an idea works in the city, it may not work in the country. It might have external effects that are impossible to predict or quantify. The best advice you can go on is to treat each person as the come, one at a time. Race and presumption of privilege can only be resolved person to person, it takes a radical change of heart to get there and it cannot be indoctrinated into a person. But our forbears have suggested a place to start, in the radical proposition, that even a reprehensible bigot at the top, fully of privileges they do not recognise, is worthy of love and has a soul.

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10 Nov 2013, 9:16 am

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The word "Privilege" (assuming one is not referring to the more narrow legal concept of right vs. privilege), whether it be white, male, heterosexual or [insert category here], is a non-falsifiable term designed to impose collective guilt upon [insert category here] and create a destructive "Us vs. Them" mentality. It is a divisive term by definition, and humanity would be better off if it was to disappear from the English language altogether.

It was bad enough when "Privilege" was just another feminist crap pseudo-scientific term. Must it infect questions of race and sexuality as well?

Privilege is clearly falsifiable. If (in the example that I gave just above) equally-qualified job applicants got a similar number of calls for interviews, that would disprove the notion of privilege. Stereotypes, prejudice and discrimination are divisive. Demonstrating their existence will make privileged people feel uncomfortable, but refusing to perpetuate the system of privilege should help alleviate that discomfort.

What I said. The purpose of the term privilege is to assign blame to people simply because they belong to a specific category, and not because of their actions.

The term 'privilege' simply means that you have benefits (but not rights) other people do not have, for example because of your skin color. Collective guilt has nothing to do with it. There's a difference between creating awareness of these privileges and creating divisors. Since a black person is three times as likely to live below the poverty line as a white person, one can safely assume that there is a privilege to being white.

The word was never a feminist pseudo-scientific term, but a French word from the early Medieval period who refered to special grants or permits to selected people. As long as the notion that black people are different from white people is promoted, white people will always have privileges in the US. If there was an equivalent to the n-word specifically for white people, saying the word out loud would land you a very hefty fine.

Well there is cracker, honky, peckerwood, white trash, whitie, and white devil. Theres no fine for saying that they can say it to white folks all the time in a hateful tone and get away with it.

White trash refers to a specific subset of white people (typically the guests on stage on talk shows such as Dr. Phil). The other words have no connection to slavery or something similar. Furthermore, while there are racists in every race, there's no racism against white people in the US on an institutional level. This is a massive privilege.

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10 Nov 2013, 9:23 am

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[*cough*] Affirmative Action [/*cough*]

This isn't racism against white people, allthough it serves as another divisor between white and black people. In any case, being more likely to get into a few universities (which is the only significant impact this has ever had) does not counterweight all the benefits of being white.

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10 Nov 2013, 9:28 am

Affirmative action just makes it more likely that black students will be bottom of the class.

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10 Nov 2013, 9:34 am

your location on the Earth seems to determine how privileged you will be irrespective of other factors.

Here in Northern Ireland, I'm afraid to say that 'protestant privilege' is still an active dimension.

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10 Nov 2013, 9:36 am

the only country on Earth where white people experience actual racism is Zimbabwe (a black majority).

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10 Nov 2013, 9:41 am

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the only country on Earth where white people experience actual racism is Zimbabwe (a black majority).

I say make more countries racist agains whites then the world will be a better place!

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