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The NATURAL sexual state for most humans is
Asexuality 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Monogamy 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Polygyny (one man, multiple women) 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
Polyandry (one woman, multiple men) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Promiscuity (multiple men, multiple women) 48%  48%  [ 15 ]
Other (specify) 26%  26%  [ 8 ]
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06 Feb 2014, 2:40 pm

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I would say a polygamous arrangement is the only one that satisfies these issues. A man will have multiple partners and so would a woman, which means their genes have increased chances of survival because of the variety involved. All adults in the 'family' would make efforts to ensure all children survive to adulthood.

A monogamous setting does not ease the risks at all. A woman can still deceive the man into bringing up the child of someone else, and the man can always leave (or get killed) leaving the woman to struggle. The woman could die and leave the man to struggle. And let us not forget that since walking upright childbirth became difficult for women and often they would die during labor.

A polygamous arrangement would cater for those risks.


Monogamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Polygamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Which relationship is MOST beneficial depends entirely on your circumstances.


If the benefits are referring to survival of the children carrying your DNA then a polygamous relationship would be most beneficial.



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06 Feb 2014, 2:43 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
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Robdemanc wrote:

I would say a polygamous arrangement is the only one that satisfies these issues. A man will have multiple partners and so would a woman, which means their genes have increased chances of survival because of the variety involved. All adults in the 'family' would make efforts to ensure all children survive to adulthood.

A monogamous setting does not ease the risks at all. A woman can still deceive the man into bringing up the child of someone else, and the man can always leave (or get killed) leaving the woman to struggle. The woman could die and leave the man to struggle. And let us not forget that since walking upright childbirth became difficult for women and often they would die during labor.

A polygamous arrangement would cater for those risks.


Monogamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Polygamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Which relationship is MOST beneficial depends entirely on your circumstances.


If the benefits are referring to survival of the children carrying your DNA then a polygamous relationship would be most beneficial.


Obviously, not in all circumstances.


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06 Feb 2014, 3:13 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:

I would say a polygamous arrangement is the only one that satisfies these issues. A man will have multiple partners and so would a woman, which means their genes have increased chances of survival because of the variety involved. All adults in the 'family' would make efforts to ensure all children survive to adulthood.

A monogamous setting does not ease the risks at all. A woman can still deceive the man into bringing up the child of someone else, and the man can always leave (or get killed) leaving the woman to struggle. The woman could die and leave the man to struggle. And let us not forget that since walking upright childbirth became difficult for women and often they would die during labor.

A polygamous arrangement would cater for those risks.


Monogamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Polygamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Which relationship is MOST beneficial depends entirely on your circumstances.


If the benefits are referring to survival of the children carrying your DNA then a polygamous relationship would be most beneficial.


What about the risk of STD's that can cause infertility?



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06 Feb 2014, 4:03 pm

I'd hope humans are naturally promiscuous. It helps ensure the survival of the species.

What's interesting is that most every creature on the planet mates in cycles. Female goes into "heat" and the males want to mate with them. Humans are one of the few (but not the only) creatures that can mate whenever and wherever they desire (although pregnancy relies on the female being ready to conceive at the time of insemination).



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06 Feb 2014, 4:09 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
I'd hope humans are naturally promiscuous. It helps ensure the survival of the species.

What's interesting is that most every creature on the planet mates in cycles. Female goes into "heat" and the males want to mate with them. Humans are one of the few (but not the only) creatures that can mate whenever and wherever they desire (although pregnancy relies on the female being ready to conceive at the time of insemination).


I think the species would still carry on even if people were monogomous plus considering how over-populated the world is at this current moment in time, I think the survival of our species is perhaps not on the top our list of things with which to be concerned. Also, surely this is not always the case with STD's being spread in polygamous environments, which can cause infertility and thus prevent people's genes from spreading.



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06 Feb 2014, 5:46 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
I'd hope humans are naturally promiscuous. It helps ensure the survival of the species.


As does monogamy.


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06 Feb 2014, 5:49 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:

I would say a polygamous arrangement is the only one that satisfies these issues. A man will have multiple partners and so would a woman, which means their genes have increased chances of survival because of the variety involved. All adults in the 'family' would make efforts to ensure all children survive to adulthood.

A monogamous setting does not ease the risks at all. A woman can still deceive the man into bringing up the child of someone else, and the man can always leave (or get killed) leaving the woman to struggle. The woman could die and leave the man to struggle. And let us not forget that since walking upright childbirth became difficult for women and often they would die during labor.

A polygamous arrangement would cater for those risks.


Monogamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Polygamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Which relationship is MOST beneficial depends entirely on your circumstances.

I think most women are hurt in polygamy with a few exceptions, especially the way it is practiced in Utah. It could be a nice arrangement under the right circumstances but as it stands now, it seems abusive to women and girls, for the most part.



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06 Feb 2014, 6:01 pm

In a commune sexually transmitted diseases are prevented because to join a commune you must be the equivalent of a virgin. Critics who claim that virgins lose their virginity after joining a commune fail to realize that in a traditional marriage a bride will also lose her virginity. In a commune sex with strangers is prohibited, violates quarantine and is grounds for expulsion from the commune and even the breakup of the commune itself just like divorce is punishment for having sex with a stranger in a traditional marriage.. Sex is only allowed between members of the commune.

Some argue a commune is a form of a prison but anyone is free to leave the commune with monetary compensation just like a traditional marriage but the exiles are not free to come back to the commune.

Others argue that communes are just institutions of legalized rape but the critics fail to realize that rape can occur even in a traditional marriage. Members of the commune that have the power to choose lovers must have the universal consent of the commune. Once a lover is chosen sex is not allowed unless there is a wedding feast that celebrates the 2 lovers. Although the chosen are taught not to reject their lovers they have plenty of time to back out during the course of the wedding ceremony. The wedding ceremony in a commune is not a traditional marriage but rather functions as a proof of consent.



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06 Feb 2014, 7:26 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Monogamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Polygamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Which relationship is MOST beneficial depends entirely on your circumstances.


If the benefits are referring to survival of the children carrying your DNA then a polygamous relationship would be most beneficial.


Cite plz. If not, it's speculation. Also: Herpes and AIDS.



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06 Feb 2014, 8:29 pm

Shau wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Monogamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Polygamous relationships have benefits for both men and women.

Which relationship is MOST beneficial depends entirely on your circumstances.


If the benefits are referring to survival of the children carrying your DNA then a polygamous relationship would be most beneficial.


Cite plz. If not, it's speculation. Also: Herpes and AIDS.


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06 Feb 2014, 9:10 pm

A traditional marriage is no guarantee against sexually transmitted diseases. To avoid STDs you have to marry a virgin and your partner has to remain faithful. In a communal marriage you also have to be a virgin when you first join and all the commune members have to be faithful to one another which means no sex with members outside of the commune. If a commune practices a sexual quarantine there will be no sexually transmitted diseases.



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06 Feb 2014, 9:17 pm

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I heart you.

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You heart a dickheaded prick like me? SEE, WOMEN ONLY DATE BAD BOYS AND JERKS!

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06 Feb 2014, 9:28 pm

The bad boys like the traditional marriages were they can marry the youngest most beautiful woman possible. On the other hand communes have women of all ages and it is hard for the bad boys to fall in love with the older women. This is one reason why the communes were dissolved in favor of traditional marriages.



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06 Feb 2014, 9:32 pm

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The bad boys like the traditional marriages were they can marry the youngest most beautiful woman possible. On the other hand communes have women of all ages and it is hard for the bad boys to fall in love with the older women. This is one reason why the communes were dissolved in favor of traditional marriages.


It's been my experience in life that nothing sends a "bad boy" packing faster than the thought of marriage.



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06 Feb 2014, 9:32 pm

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Moreover, among hunter-gatherer folk, the men generally cooperate together for hunting (and other manly pursuits). Someone used to say "it takes a village to raise a child." Rather than each man taking care of his own children, the boys would eventually join the group of men. The girls would stay among the women, and participate in the cooking, cleaning, and other womanly pursuits around the camp.

It's always amusing when a man (and it's almost always a man) talks about 'hunter-gatherers' but completely disregards the 'gatherer' part.

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A man would have a financial incentive not to recognize his illegitimate offspring.

He has genetic/evolutionary incentive to recognize and support his own brats, though.

I've seen several babies - including girls - who look so much like their fathers that it's unmistakable who the dad is.



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06 Feb 2014, 9:45 pm

When I was living in a commune I was expected to love a woman who was old enough to be my Mother. The thought was reprehensible to me so I left the commune after one year and I was still a virgin. Even though I was a virgin I was considered a bad boy because I could not love an older woman. After leaving I married a woman close to my age.